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#262903 - 2017-04-12 08:05 How to Stream music with my system ?
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Hello

I currently have a 3 DSP5200SE connected to a G65. I also have an ATV (latest version) and HD621 and a synology NAS.

I would like to stream music in the highest quality possible but don't know what to use and if I miss a piece of equipment, I hope not smile

Thank you for your help.


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#262904 - 2017-04-12 08:10 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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ATV is not your best solution for high quality, have you considered Sooloos or Roon?

Russ


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#262905 - 2017-04-12 08:13 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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This is a very tough question, but you do have SE loudspeakers and you do state "highest possible quality".

The simple answer is an 818v3 into your G65, but you do not get the most out of either the 818 or the SE speakers with this architecture. The best possible result (excluding any need for room correction) is an 818v3 direct into two of your SEs.

First, can you rule an 818v3 in or out?

Second, is your requirement actually: "I would like to stream music in the highest possible quality through my G65 to all three speakers"?


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#262906 - 2017-04-12 08:18 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: VirusKiller]
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Agreed on the 818v3, coincidentally I have one for sale in the restaurant wink

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#262908 - 2017-04-12 08:47 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Ratbert]
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If your budget is limited, the imminent arrival/launch of the Yamaha WXAD-10 will significantly outshine your current AppleTV.


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#262909 - 2017-04-12 09:05 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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Thank you for your answers smile

My budget is limited (new baby etc.).

Is Roon a good fit? How would it work?

Currently I stream music over my ATV and agree not the best sound.



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#262910 - 2017-04-12 09:18 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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Although I'm a Roon developer, I'm not au fait with your QNAP model, so I'm not going to recommend anything there.

If *I* was to go with Roon with your kit and budget, then I'd probably get an MS200 and stream to that given that the G65 is 96k limited anyway. You then get the choice of up-sampling in Roon, the MS200, or the G65. Plus MQA decoding is coming to Roon.


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#262911 - 2017-04-12 09:26 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: VirusKiller]
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would the Yamaha WXAD-10 do this great ? not sure if I can afford a MS200.

VirusKiller you also mention G65 would provide 96k, I guess vs 192K ? do I loose a lot if I stream ?


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#262912 - 2017-04-12 09:28 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
Although I'm a Roon developer, I'm not au fait with your QNAP model, so I'm not going to recommend anything there.

If *I* was to go with Roon with your kit and budget, then I'd probably get an MS200 and stream to that given that the G65 is 96k limited anyway. You then get the choice of up-sampling in Roon, the MS200, or the G65. Plus MQA decoding is coming to Roon.
Hi Joel

Would the 218 be a good fit for MQA to the SE's?

Russ


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#262913 - 2017-04-12 09:33 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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Don't buy anything till you can afford decent/matched front end. You got great speakers, don't waste your money with a small incremental update. Save it for later or spend it on the baby. You may find that when baby comes along, you will reassess your music requirements and you have money tied up in great kit doing nothing.


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#262914 - 2017-04-12 10:03 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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Ok I see in the restaurant that a MS200 is around 200, this should be okay... the 818v3 is not frown


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#262916 - 2017-04-12 11:03 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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Hi,

Why not just substitute an Apple AirPort Express for the ATV (optical input to G65). That's cost effective relative to the 818v3.

Brian


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Edited by bxd; 2017-04-12 11:09. Edit Reason: addition
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#262924 - 2017-04-12 16:10 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: bxd]
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An AE offers nothing over an existing ATV, but the Yamaha at least affords a more than decent DAC for £149 (before discounts).


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#262925 - 2017-04-12 16:15 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: spinaltap]
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Why the need for the DAC when he has a G6x and 5200SE's?


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#262927 - 2017-04-12 16:58 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: spinaltap]
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Hi,

As Ian suggests, you don't need a DAC (rewiews suggest that the Airport Express DAC is quite reasonable although it might not be too great with respect to jitter). The ATV resamples audio to 16bit/48KHz while the AE passes 16/44.1, which would be better for audio streamed off the NAS. It looks as if the Yamaha only has an analogue stereo output, which isn't much use into a G65.

Brian


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#262929 - 2017-04-12 17:08 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: bxd]
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MS200 is the cheapest option and if it doesn't get any MQA upgrade then soon enough they will be at giveaway prices as people upgrade.


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#262932 - 2017-04-12 17:19 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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Great answers that are definitely helping

I will wait for the 218 and see if I can get a good deal grin


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#262937 - 2017-04-12 17:49 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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A wise decision indeed.
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#262938 - 2017-04-12 18:20 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Hi,

A small problem in that the Synology NAS can't run as a Meridian core which the MS200 would require. Alternately Roon will involve a subscription or payment.

Brian


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#262939 - 2017-04-12 18:27 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: bxd]
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Get an MC200 and run Sooloos to see how you get on.

Warning though, once you start you will want to continue as access and discovery is so easy especially with Tidal.

Yes you have to pay, but Music and software isn't free. A lifetime Roon is a bargain in HiFi terms relative to SE speakers... but in the end, it's down to priorities.


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#263712 - 2017-05-01 14:09 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Hello All

I will go with the QNAP route and I am now deciding on which model to buy knowing that, to my understanding, people use the QNAP dedicated to store music, but some use to also store and run Roon. The following QNAP models :

- TVS 471
- TS 251+
- HS 251+

My idea is to download Sooloos on one of these 3 models and I will buy or a 218, MS200 or MS600 depending on feedbacks over the 218, to play music and radio.

A bit later, I might want to expand and use Roon, then I will buy a Nuc.

In this case, would the HS251+ enough? or shall I have the TS251 for better RAM?
If I go with the TS 471, would I still need a NUC? (you understand this is to optimize budget smile )

So, I am debating about the best option.
Thank you again for your support.



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#263713 - 2017-05-01 15:34 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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Personally, I would discount the idea of the HS-251.

Optimally, I would opt for the TVS-471 if your budget allows. This gives options in running Roon satisfactorily, or Sooloos.

Then, just add either MS200/MS600, or 218.

You would then not need to buy a NUC.

A NUC would be the basis of a Roon system, plus Meridian end point. Here you would add a QNAP for music storage/backup.


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#263725 - 2017-05-01 20:04 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: spinaltap]
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In fact I don't need 4 hard drives, because my understanding is that the QNAP should be dedicated to Sooloos and/or Roon only, then no picture, docs, storage ...

I was thinking that having a less powerfull QNAP but having a NUC to handle Sooloos and Roon would be better.


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#263726 - 2017-05-01 20:25 Re: How to Stream music with my system ? [Re: Sapiens]
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A NUC won't run Sooloos Core.


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