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#261611 - 2017-03-16 14:56 Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images
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We're currently assessing the Trinnov Altitude 32 Surround Processor, in particular its integration into a full Meridian DSP loudspeaker system with its ability to decode the 3D immersive audio formats of Atmos, Auro-3D and DTS:X.

As part of my decision to stock the Trinnov I'd like to gauge the interest Hitchikers have in this solution?

If I set up a Trinnov / Meridian DSP Cinema at the shop would any of you be interested in having a listen?

All questions and comments most welcome..

Rick



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#261612 - 2017-03-16 15:11 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Is this unofficial notification there will be no further 861 development?

Russ


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#261613 - 2017-03-16 15:24 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Ratbert]
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Certainly looks that way, and promoting a substitute on the Meridian forum!


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#261614 - 2017-03-16 15:31 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Ratbert]
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Very interested in that development as the Trinnov is on my potential hit list. Also interested in how you are going to achieve the above.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261615 - 2017-03-16 15:46 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Cliff.]
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...and, 'Roon ready' (according to their website).


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#261616 - 2017-03-16 16:08 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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As I am looking to "upgrade" my 861, and with no inkling of what, if anything, Meridian have planned, I would be very interested in hearing more. I don't live close by, but any information on how a processor like the Trinnov could be integrated into a DSP or mixed DSP/analog system, would be very exciting indeed. The fact that the HDMI inputs are only 1.4 is perhaps a concern. Any knowledge of possible updates in that regard?

Wayne


System 1: 861v6+ID40, HD621, DSP3200 x3, DSW, analogue surr, Bel Canto S300, Sony XBR-75Z9D, Oppo UDP-203, Kaleidescape
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#261617 - 2017-03-16 16:28 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I don't live nearby, but I would be interested to see how such a marriage could work and, of course, hear how it sounds.


Main System: 861v8+ID41, HD621, 3 x 8KuSE, 4 x M6 Surrounds, Velodyne DD18, Oppo 83, Popcorn Hour A500, Roon.
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#261618 - 2017-03-16 16:29 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Wayne]
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An HDMI 2.0 upgrade card is already available


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261619 - 2017-03-16 16:39 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Cliff.]
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OMG, I was pausing wondering what I was about to read. Did someone purchase someone or was there an agreement made with the #1 home_cinema processor brand.

Certainly interested in this development even though I can't see myself doing this right now.


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#261620 - 2017-03-16 16:54 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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way-hay-hay beyond my budget, but it looks amazing.


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#261623 - 2017-03-16 17:09 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Is this unofficial notification there will be no further 861 development?
Hi Russ,

Not at all, it's simply that we have customers wishing to add the 3D immersive formats into their current Meridian systems, and Trinnov have a product available which can do so.

Rick


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#261624 - 2017-03-16 17:12 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Wayne]
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Hi Wayne,

The Trinnov HDMI 2.0 card is released in May. Current orders will have their HDMI 1.4 card upgraded free of charge.

Rick


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#261625 - 2017-03-16 17:15 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Crion]
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Hi Crion,

No there's no Trinnov / Meridian alliance happening!

This coupling is purely an Audio Images experiment, the Trinnov well suited to drive Meridian DSP as it can output 96/24 PCM out to every channel.

Rick


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#261627 - 2017-03-16 17:22 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Rick,

Thanks for the info on the HDMI card.

Is the Trinnov capable of setting and adjusting volume of attached DSP speakers? What about speakers with only SpeakerLink connections - how are they handled?

Wayne


System 1: 861v6+ID40, HD621, DSP3200 x3, DSW, analogue surr, Bel Canto S300, Sony XBR-75Z9D, Oppo UDP-203, Kaleidescape
System 2: 808.3 upgraded to 808v6, MC200, DSP8000.2 with SE Upgrade
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#261630 - 2017-03-16 17:40 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Wayne]
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Hi Wayne,

There are a couple of ways we can handle the volume:

1) Fix the Trinnov at 'Unity Gain' and use an MSR (or third party control system) to handle the volume in the DSP speakers.

2) Fix the DSP speakers at Unity Gain (87), and let the Trinnov do the volume.

Pros and Cons with both systems, it will be one of the first experiments we do when we're fully set up to decide which we prefer.

Potentially 1) will benefit from the DSP receiving full digital information and utilising Meridian's hybrid digital / analogue volume controls.

2) Will mean the Trinnov truncates the digital information to the DSP as it reduces volume (potentially affecting performance), BUT does mean that other non-DSP speakers could be used for surround channels for example.

As for SpeakerLink DSP connection we will be manufacturing our own interface box which connects to the Trinnov DB25 output and provides 16 'Meridian DSP' SpeakerLink outputs, making the cabling very straightforward.

Rick


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#261666 - 2017-03-17 01:03 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I bought the Trinnov and it has been part of my DSP system for the last six months. It is amazing. The difference between MRC and Trinnov is like night and day since the Trinnov does room correction across the whole band and a whole host of other things besides.

Shankar


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#261668 - 2017-03-17 02:34 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Shankar]
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Rick,

This is excellent news. I agree with Shankar, that the RC is simply superior to MRC.

I do however have one question on the DSP speakers? How do you separate the different channels in a DSP. With two or three channel analog speakers, I can separate the upper and mid from the lower end bass, using two channels on the Trinnov and the crossover within the Trinnov. Clearly I need another amp channel. Is this possible on M DSP's?

Once again, congrads!


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#261669 - 2017-03-17 03:06 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Yetis]
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Looks like there would be many trade in 861v8s available soon.


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#261671 - 2017-03-17 05:27 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Rick,
I am strongly interested, have already have some experience with a Trinnov Amethyst, but the problem is MHR which can only switched off with tricks.

But HOW to turn MHR off on a DVD 800v3/v4 where I play my DVD-V and DVD-A?

I tried a lot of things, but have no success.

I am interested of course to play (real) MCh music, so the integration of the 800 is important for me.

Robert


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#261672 - 2017-03-17 07:24 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Albert
Looks like there would be many trade in 861v8s available soon
Maybe, but the 861 is still an excellent processor for those not interested in sticking speakers in the ceiling. (Mine sold within 2 days of advertising here and I had a lot of interest). Also the Trinnov Alt32 costs >£22k when you add the essential extras. They are bringing out a cheaper 16 channel model but apparantly it won't be upgradable like the 32.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261679 - 2017-03-17 08:29 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Albert]
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Haha, I understand your motivation to "speed up" M to make something, that way I interpret your words. I also want to stay with Meridian, but there have to be a solution ASAP and not in the next decades.

Trinnov RC is not "only" the best room correction, it also improve the timing of the chassis of a speaker doesn't matter digital or analogue.

The "problem" using a Trinnov processor is, that now/current you loose MHR and for MQA it's not clear if it comes useable or not.

Why not M offer a "tape loop" like in old analogue times?
The sources are connected to the 861v6/8, get processed in 861 and available at the "tape out" in a HIRES format that the Trinnov will understand (no MHR in the first step).

Then the Trinnov get that data, make all the wonderful corrections and loop it back to the 861v6/8.
The 861 add MHR for the transport to the DSP.

If you have SE speakers then the final "fold out" of MQA will happen (or not).

Later on M can make their on solution like with integrated cards or a separate box maybe from Trinnov?

The "tape loop" solution can be made fast, so the owner have a very good and future proof solution.

For pure cinema freaks that want to have more then 6/8 channels, they have to go to Trinnov anyway to get all sweets.


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#261680 - 2017-03-17 08:38 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: RobertW]
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If the Trinnov gets Roon and Roon gets MQA decoding, then I think I'd settle for the Trinnov's superior RC over the final bit of 'MQA rendering'


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261701 - 2017-03-17 13:15 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Cliff.]
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Well if M was smart, they would follow JBL's lead and just license an M branded Trinnov processor that accepts an MHR connection. The JBL has a proprietary Blulink into a standard Trinnov.


Primary: MD600, MS200 (SpeakerLink to AES), Trinnov ST-2, Ayre V6-xe, Salk SS8 3x LRC.
Secondary: MC600 (whole house).
Zone one: 568.2, G57, MS200, Spatial Hologram M2SE.
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#261704 - 2017-03-17 13:31 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: RobertW]
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Compatibility with MQA is an interesting one..

I understand Trinnov will update the Altitude32 to include a Roon endpoint, which may be a route to MQA playback.
Another option is to use a 218 or 818v3 between the Trinnov and main DSP left and right speakers.

Rick


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#261724 - 2017-03-17 20:51 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Rick, you can count me as someone interested in this as well. But I live in New York, you know the colonies across the pond, so I don't know if I can make it for a listen, but I would be very curious to know what you've done. I've often looked at the Trinnov products and thought- why can't we figure out how to make it work with the Meridian speakers.

Indeed, I agree with the other members here, if Meridian is not going to do a full on 861 update, then maybe the best move would be for them to make some kind of interface box that would allow us to work with the other processors out there- thus keeping the DSPs relevant.


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#261725 - 2017-03-17 21:40 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: JerryL]
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Originally Posted By JerryL
Rick, you can count me as someone interested in this as well. But I live in New York, you know the colonies across the pond,

+1, except for the New York part.
The room interface is too important to ignore, even if Meridian's DSPs sound pretty darn good in a compromised room!


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#261733 - 2017-03-18 07:09 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: JimK]
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#261743 - 2017-03-18 13:32 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Shankar]
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Put me on the list of very interested!

John


1: 808.5 Anniversary, 504, Oppo BDP-103, Apple TV, HD621, 861v8, 7200SEU l/r/c, 33 sides, 5200 rear, Sim2 Lumis & Schneider lens, Stewart Filmsreen, SR20 fuses where they count
2: Theta Compli Blu, Apple TV, HDMax421, G68ADV, G55, B&W Sig 8NT l/r/c, 8180 rear & Runco Plasma
3: G91A, 3100, Sony PS-FL5 turntable
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#261744 - 2017-03-18 14:22 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: JohnSWimer]
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For those already using the Trinnov processors with Meridian digital speakers, how are you handling the interface from the processor to the DSPs?

It seems the processor does not have SPDIF outputs and the digital out is handled via a different connection.


Theater: G68, G98DH, DSP6k, DSP55kC, DSP55k, Plasma, Sooloos (Zone 2)
Living room: DSP5k, DSP5kC, G68, MC600 (Zone 1)
Bedroom: M80
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#261745 - 2017-03-18 14:27 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Jdb-si]
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It can be configured to have digital out via the D-type connecting blocks. They are just not in the form of usual phono/RCA type.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261751 - 2017-03-18 16:34 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Yetis]
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Originally Posted By Yetis
Well if M was smart, they would follow JBL's lead and just license an M branded Trinnov processor that accepts an MHR connection. The JBL has a proprietary Blulink into a standard Trinnov.

As I was not too familiar with the Trinnov Altitude I did a little research on it and there is a good review of it in Widescreen Review magazine July/August 2016 edition issue 208 ( sorry I don't have a link as I get the paper copies).
Needless to say it is quite a processor with many advanced capabilities and I agree that instead of M developing their own unit ( which will be difficult to compete in this price range) a licensing agreement would make sense.
I am also very interested in the results Rick finds out ( although I think I already can suspect how great it will be)- wish I could come and listen.


My M gear: 861v8 with ID41, 800v3, HD621, 8000.1(SEs),7200.1(SE),320s,3200s,5500s ,SW5500s ,MS200 (2nd zone),218.
Other: JVC RS-500 projector, Prismasonic HD-5000 anamorphic lens, Panasonic UB900, Oppo BDP-103D, QNAP TS-251 (M core and store).
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#261752 - 2017-03-18 16:50 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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It looks that Meridian decided that the Home Theater Market is not their priority. They have invested in MQA 2 channel at the moment.

Some of us loved Meridian processors (565, G61R, 861v4) for their ability to process:

a) 2 channel into 5 channel music.
and
b) all available multi channel formats that existed at the time (from Laser Disk and DVD).

But since the introduction of HD621 there are no news from Meridian for their Home Theater lovers. Hence it was only a matter of time that companies like Trinnov and Anthem will be there to fill in the gap. Trinnov supports Roon and Anthem supports Tidal integration. I would be very interested to see what Trinnov can do with Roon (without additional endpoint) and how can be integrated with Meridian Digital speakers. It might be worth the trip for me.

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George


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#261811 - 2017-03-19 17:43 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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More options are a good thing and I wish I could drop by and listen frown

Of course there are integration questions to be explored but fundamentally I wish I could be there to listen to the sound quality between the two processor architectures.

Given that the Trinnov is based on a "potentially noisier" PC based Platform and uses 3rd party chipsets I would like to hear opinions from those that do get to listen regarding sound quality compared to a Meridian processor. The Trinnov products have a great feature so it would be interesting to compare their architectural decisions to Meridian's more bespoke architecture.

Each approach has advantages and tradeoffs but how do those decisions affect sound quality?

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#261816 - 2017-03-19 18:44 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioBoy]
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The Trinnov DAC's are not of the quality of M's. They are not running 818 like D/A conversion. My experience is that the quality of the RC makes up for it, and then some. I would note that the Altitude uses flash memory, so there is no spinning hard drive, often the biggest producer of digital noise. Like most A/V manufacturers, Trinnov doesn't subscribe to M's views on total isolation. As evidenced by their inclusion of the HDMI connections in the same box.


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Secondary: MC600 (whole house).
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#261817 - 2017-03-19 19:07 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Yetis]
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Does anyone know if the Trinnov uses a SMPS or a linear power supply?


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TV+Music: MS200(x2), Explorer2, QNAP, DSP33(2), 104 Tuner
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#261820 - 2017-03-19 19:33 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Longitude0]
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I know the Altitude has separate PSUs for the digital and analogue stages. Not sure if the latter is linear. Personally, I'm not concerned. YMMD.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261829 - 2017-03-19 22:14 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Longitude0]
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The Amethyst have an extra analogue PS(Torroid transformer) for the analogue part.

See under "features" and then "power"


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#261835 - 2017-03-20 10:34 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Longitude0]
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Originally Posted By Longitude0
Does anyone know if the Trinnov uses a SMPS or a linear power supply?
The Altitude32 uses three Power supplies, 2*switch Mode for processing and a linear for audio.

Rick


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#261852 - 2017-03-21 00:37 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Jdb-si]
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For those already using the Trinnov processors with Meridian digital speakers, how are you handling the interface from the processor to the DSPs?

It seems the processor does not have SPDIF outputs and the digital out is handled via a different connection.
I did considerable experimentation before I zeroed in on my present config. My configuration involves two amplification channels for Front (8000+sub), and analog speakers all around.

1. I set the 8000SE to 87 statically and took the Coax Digital fronts from Trinnov to the 8000. Used a separate Trinnov analog channel for the Front subs. Used Trinnov analog channels to surround analog speakers. (No 861 in this config).

2. I used Coax Front from Trinnov to 861, and then MHR to 8000. Used a separate Trinnov analog channel for the Front subs. Used Trinnov analog channels to surround analog speakers. (861 in this config).

Finally settled on 2.

In both cases volume control was via Trinnov. I understand that in theory the volume control applied on Trinnov coax out has the potential to degrade it, but
1. extensive reading assured me that this degradation is not that significant
2. I always listen at volumes around reference anyway, never at low volumes; and my listening room is large

I am very happy with the way the Trinnov RC has achieved total balance in the bass between the 8000SE and its (separate) sub, even though they are fed by different channels of the Trinnov. Also am using all the fancy features like 3D placement etc.

Made a world of a difference.

Shankar


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#261853 - 2017-03-21 00:39 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
It can be configured to have digital out via the D-type connecting blocks. They are just not in the form of usual phono/RCA type.
My unit duplicates the Front channels alone into a pair of RCA Coax Digital Outs.


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#261857 - 2017-03-21 07:15 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: RobertW]
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Originally Posted By RobertW
Why not M offer a "tape loop" like in old analogue times?
The sources are connected to the 861v6/8, get processed in 861 and available at the "tape out" in a HIRES format that the Trinnov will understand (no MHR in the first step).
Or... maybe just free licenses the MHR?


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#261868 - 2017-03-21 13:46 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Special for people with more the two DSP:

Rick, can we hear beside the Altitude the ST2 HifI?
That the economic solution for 4 channels.
That is a "cheap" solution compared to the Altitude32.

It's for that people, that have an M processor and DSP already.
They want to listen with more then 2 speakers and DSP presets like "Trifield" or "music" and so on.

Signal flow:(all digital)
Source>>(dig in) 861 (DSP´s outs)>>>(dig in) TrinnovST2 (dig out)>>>front DSP`s.
The sides and rears are still connected to the M processor as current-no change.

The latency time from the Trinnov is equal for the fronts so no sound changes, and the sides and rear are just get very few ms delay even at all.

That is not important as the presets have current delay of more then 20 ms so add some ms is no problem-only your room get "larger".

Volume control and communication:

ST2 is full (no volume control)
861 or other M-proc is connected audio wise to the 861 and
com wise to the speaker.
In that way there is no even theoretical interference possible on the Trinnov and the volume control for the speaker works in the current/standard way.

Only MHR could be an issue, but that can be solved with a "trick". I think that is a very good solution for "economic channel user".

Owner of SL processors need two cable converter (audio only) on each side of the Trinnov.
As SL and digital AES are equivalent here, only a cable with two different connectors are necessary-same physical/electrical signal.

Rick, that cable adapters are a good "add on" to sell so the buyer get all what he need.

Legacy M-proc owners just need two digital RCA extra audio cable between M-proc output and SPDIF in on Trinnov.

Placing the Trinnov BEFORE the M-Proc exclude the ID40/41 card or streaming to get the advantages from Trinnov, so for all other sources it works.

Next time a solution for analogies...


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#261869 - 2017-03-21 14:51 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: RobertW]
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Hi Robert,

At the start we're only looking to use Trinnov for the new object based immersive sound formats such as Atmos.
We'll see how we get on with the Altitude 32 in this roll before investigating any other applications.

Cheers,

Rick


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#261874 - 2017-03-21 16:39 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I don't think an 861 Processor needs to be in there, it will only complicate things.

No MHR is no big deal. As long as speakers control volume you should be all set.

Even though some systems claim 24bit, 32bit digital attenuation that is total B.S.

Even good DAC's only get 19 bits of "effective" resolution. By using digital attenuation you shift the data into the dirt. Also if not shifted in powers of 2 it has to be redithered.

Even the Meridian Prime DAC only gets 17 bits of resolution. No room for digital attenuation.

Larger word sizes are good for processing steps but not for attenuation.

Maybe projects like this will force Meridians hand on what the future looks like sooner than they planned.

Go for it.


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#261877 - 2017-03-21 18:04 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Fiddler]
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Originally Posted By Fiddler
Maybe projects like this will force Meridians hand on what the future looks like sooner than they planned.
I hope so, they need a shake up.

Regards,
Carl


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#261879 - 2017-03-21 18:39 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Carl]
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It would be lovely if they did but very much out of character. Fear of tipping their hand to the opposition is the usual excuse. However, these days M have fallen so far behind the curve I doubt if the opposition would even notice.

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#261883 - 2017-03-21 19:22 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Meridialien]
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Regrettably, I think you're right.


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#261888 - 2017-03-22 02:35 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Cliff.]
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Thanks guys. Very interesting. As to room interface @JimK, I agree. I have a dedicated room designed by an acoustician with the correct treatments. So fundamentals taken care of. I just am sensing the lack of options my processor gives. Right now its meeting my needs, but I would like to stay aware of other options. Critical for those of us who have bought into the whole system. Its a substantial investment, it's worth paying attention.


Best regards,
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#262040 - 2017-03-24 00:59 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: JerryL]
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Hello All,

I have not posted here in over a year although from time to time I logged in to see what was going on. This site contains some of the brightest audiophiles with interesting posts and I've missed you all. After much soul searching and probing questions in early 2015 I became convinced that M was not going to enter the immersive audio world any time soon. I had become enamored with immersive sound after a few demos at Jan 2015 CES. After some research I came to the conclusion That Trinnov might have enough juice to get me to leave M. but as an audiophile since 1972 I had serious concerns. I need not have been. On December 31, 2015 I received my fully loaded Altitude32. And in April of 2016 when I knew I had made the correct call for me, I sold my 861 v8/HD621. If it had just been about music I would not have made the move but that would have been a mistake. Since I have always used analog speakers I am unable to comment on Ricks project but with the Altitudes versatility I believe he will like/love the results. If I wasn't an ocean and a continent away I would love to check the project out.

Here are some things that make the trinnov work for me:

1. Able to bypass the trinnov's DAC's on the two mains and use my Alpha DAC RS. When combined with RC and curve fitting and ability to save up to 30 presets. The two channel is stunning.

2. New life has been added to my 5.1 DVD-audio's by allowing me to up-mix to Auro-3D giving me an open immersive touch without betraying it's 5.1 roots. For example I have the DVD audio of The Beatles "Love" soundtrack from the Las Vegas show. It begins with a nice remix of "Because". Everyone that I have given this demo has been blown away. The chirping birds are lifted in elevation, the instrument and vocals envelope you and you are left with a big smile.

3. The RC software and curve fitting give tremendous strength no mater how many channels.

4. Atmos, Auro3d, DTS-X plus many up-mixes.

5. Many movie titles in native Atmos have become available. e.g. "Hacksaw Ridge" flames from throwers surround you, bombs annihilate you, and if your still alive bullets wiz past your ear. ie it's fun.

6. You can up-mix older movies to give them body.

I apologize for going on about Trinnov on a Meridian site because I was an M supporter for many years and I still have a fondness for their products. For my desires I feel like M abandoned me. I didn't want to leave them. And Rick good luck with your project. you were always a straight shooter.

Regards all,
Gary


My Kit: Trinnov Altitude 32,Oppo BDP 203, Sony 600es, Martin Logan Neoliths Mains with VTL Siegfried II's, ML CLX's, ML Renaissance, 5 ML Theaters,13 ML Vanquish, 6 ML Edges, 6 ML Axis' 8 Velodyne DD-18+'s, Pass Labs 600.8,Pass Labs 160.8, Pass labs 160.5, Bryston 14B-SST, 6B-SST,6 Bryston 9BSST^2's, 14' Stewart Screen, Berkely Alpha DAC RS
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#262045 - 2017-03-24 04:01 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: GaryArthur]
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Gary,

Thanks for chiming in. I certainly appreciate it.

John


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#262067 - 2017-03-24 13:08 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: GaryArthur]
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Gary,

Your post intrigues me. I have been thinking about leaving Meridian (861v8 and HD621, analog speakers) and my dealer has mentioned Trinnov and Anthem. Haven't done too much research on either yet. Yet I really love Meridian for 2-channel music via Trifield and would hate to lose that. I have been sitting tight hoping that Meridian will drop a bombshell update to the HD621 and 861 but I am losing hope. If I were to purchase a Meridian Ultra DAC and run it through the Trinnov how much "Meridianness" would I lose? What about Trifield, does the Trinnov have an equivalent? I don't think I could go back to listening without Trifield (due to the presence of a screen wall my speakers are a litte farther apart than optimal so the center gets a little weak when listening without Trifield.) Been with Meridian for decades and it's kind of scary leaving for something else!

Thanks,
John


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#262068 - 2017-03-24 13:28 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Demoleon]
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I asked a similar question of a dealer and it appears you can create custom speaker layouts (several per source if required) so you could have the front 3 speakers or more. When creating an effect from a 2ch source you would need to used Dolby Surround, Neural:X or Auro-Matic sound mixers. In addition, Trinnov are bringing out their own algorithms shortly but these are under wraps for now.

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#262074 - 2017-03-24 15:05 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Cliff.]
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Thanks. I suppose now is as good a time as any to start researching replacements. Do you know if Trifield is proprietary to Meridian or could Trinnov pony up the dough and license it for themselves?

John


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#262076 - 2017-03-24 15:18 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: GaryArthur]
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Originally Posted By GaryArthur
I apologize for going on about Trinnov on a Meridian site because I was an M supporter for many years and I still have a fondness for their products. For my desires I feel like M abandoned me. I didn't want to leave them.
Not at all Gary, thank you for your valued input on this subject.

Glad you find time drop in now and again.

Regards,
Carl


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#262087 - 2017-03-24 17:06 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Demoleon]
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Originally Posted By Demoleon
Gary,

Yet I really love Meridian for 2-channel music via Trifield and would hate to lose that. I have been sitting tight hoping that Meridian will drop a bombshell update to the HD621 and 861 but I am losing hope. If I were to purchase a Meridian Ultra DAC and run it through the Trinnov how much "Meridianness" would I lose? What about Trifield, does the Trinnov have an equivalent? I don't think I could go back to listening without Trifield (due to the presence of a screen wall my speakers are a litte farther apart than optimal so the center gets a little weak when listening without Trifield.) Been with Meridian for decades and it's kind of scary leaving for something else!

Thanks,
John
I too was a big fan of Trifield. I remember a few years back the question of whether the width adjustability of Trifield was broken arose and a survey was taken. The experimentations and discussions that ensued gave me a better understanding of Trifield and I settled primarily on 1.1 for my width setting. As I said in my original post if it had been just about the music I would not have taken this journey and for me that would have been a mistake.

I didn't say too much about two channel so here are some thoughts. The RC on the trinnov is the best I've seen/heard. With proper calibration and curve fitting you can make a good speaker (but not signature level) truly approach the uncalibrated signature level speaker. And you can take the signature speaker to Audio Nirvana. OK, enough arm waving.

Cliff is correct about adding some speakers and customizing to simulate Trifield and trinnov allows up to 30 presets so you could easily adjust for different widths by saving them as presets. So far I use my presets to keep certain seating positions optimized. Cliff also mentioned up-mixing in his post. In general I am not too fond of most up-mixing. For example Cliff mentioned "Dolby Surround" which makes all of your Dolby Atmos speakers available. This may work for some and the up-mix is sophisticated but it's just too much and often it makes the music sound unnatural for me. But then there is Auromatic. With this up-mixer you get height and breadth added to your two channel and even mono recordings. Music that I considered "thin" got body but still remained true to their two channel roots. I have come to like Auromatic even better than Trifield. Of course YMMV.

Trinnov has upgraded their software a number of times I know them all since I have serial #183. Later this year they will make 48 channels (for a fee) available with a software upgrade. This will require you to use a combination of 32 analog channels and 16 digital or buy a converter to run 48 analog speakers.

Two other quick points. This switch was not cheap. The unit itself with 32 channels and all three codecs Atmos, Auro snd DTS-X was $32,000 of course you my not need/want that many channels you can buy only 8, 16 or 24 channels and then purchase more channel later if you need them and they have a more competitively priced 16 channel model coming out later this year. Also when I sold my 861/HD621 one year ago it went for $9000. I'm sure at that price the unit might not move today based on another thread I just read.

Again I am not trying to offend any Meridian users and you can see there was literally a price to pay. I'm trying to help John understand my journey. Meridian was/is outstanding kit.

Gary




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#262093 - 2017-03-24 18:58 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: GaryArthur]
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Thank you Gary and everyone for the outstanding discussion. I think it is pertinent to the current situation and I hope Meridian is reading this.


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#262184 - 2017-03-27 18:20 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Originally Posted By AudioImages - Rick
Hi Robert,

At the start we're only looking to use Trinnov for the new object based immersive sound formats such as Atmos.
We'll see how we get on with the Altitude 32 in this roll before investigating any other applications.
Hi Rick,

I asked Trinnov HQ what Trinnov can do with 2-channels sources and more then two speakers. Except with the Altitude they can't do anything with those sources.

So be carefull here with smaller processors from Trinnov as the Altitude. They CAN NOT produce presets like M do examples Trifield music.
So the "small" ones only make sense when you keep your M processor to have presets like Trifield, music and more.
ONLY the Altitude can do that but only with comprimíses as Trinnov say:

Originally Posted By Trinnov
Hello Robert,

I will clarify the situation on Trinnov general products, and I will talk about the Altitude later as it is a little bit different.
Trinnov doesn't have that kind of technology. It means that if you play stereo content, it will only play on Left and Right speakers. We don't "create" some content to feed the center channel. We just simply reproduce the content with the higher fidelity possible.

The Altitude is a different products because it is a home-theater dedicated products, and so includes decoders : Dolby Atmos, DTS:X and Auro-3D. These 3D decoders, if included in the Altitude (Optional feature) has their own "upmixer". Each upmixer has their own algorithm and also their own limit. They are able to take a stereo content and upmix it on a 5.1, 7.1 or a 3D speaker layout (with ceiling speakers). There technologies won't work on a 3 speakers (LCR) configuration.
These upmixers are more dedicated to a home-cinema use but also works on stereo content.
These technologies are not Trinnov technologies, so we don't really know what happen and what the recreated channels is containing. To use these up-mixers, the 3D Codecs option is mandatory.

I hope this helps to clarify the situation.

Best Regards,
Yann


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#271794 - 2018-01-13 14:22 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Just to follow up on this thread I started some months ago.

Audio Images now are official Trinnov dealers and have in stock and available for demonstration a Trinnov Altitude32 8-16.

While we await the release of the Meridian 271 we are still able to demonstrate the Trinnov with Meridian DSP loudspeakers as we have developed our own solution to connect the digital output of the Trinnov to the SpeakerLink inputs of the Meridian DSP.

If anyone would like to come for a listen then please PM or email me to arrange an audition and we can set up an appropriate system.

Rick



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#271795 - 2018-01-13 14:37 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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That's impressive work Rick; I hope it brings you in some business.


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#271796 - 2018-01-13 14:51 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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so in essence, given your resourceful solution, the 271 is not mandatory?

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#271797 - 2018-01-13 15:16 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
so in essence, given your resourceful solution, the 271 is not mandatory?
Sort of looking that way (think Reviver).


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#271800 - 2018-01-13 16:26 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
so in essence, given your resourceful solution, the 271 is not mandatory?
It depends on your system configuration and requirements.
But, no, if you're looking at a Trinnov solution, as it already has balanced digital audio outputs, then you don't necessarily need a 271.

However, our solution is a simple re-wiring exercise, interfacing the DB25 outputs from the Trinnov into RJ45 SpeakerLink connectors for Meridian DSP, and connecting up the Meridian Comms.

The 271 offers a far more elegant solution, with lots of flexibility, and integration with Surround Controllers that only have analogue outputs.
So my guess is most Trinnov based DSP systems will still have a 271.

I merely mentioned it if anyone was interested in hearing Trinnov and Meridian DSP before the 271 is released.

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#271801 - 2018-01-13 17:38 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Originally Posted By AudioImages - Rick
The 271 offers a far more elegant solution, with lots of flexibility, and integration with Surround Controllers that only have analogue outputs.
So my guess is most Trinnov based DSP systems will still have a 271.
thx for the reply Rick. so does the 271 then allow one to control Trinnov vol which in turn controls DSP vol, and/or vice-versa? while your solution does not offer this?

thx

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#271802 - 2018-01-13 18:19 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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No, as far as I understand, the Trinnov and DSP volumes won't track together even with a 271.

With 271 the volume could be handled either in the Trinnov, or in the Meridian 271/DSP Speakers.

I generally have the DSP set at 87, and then handle the System volume in the Trinnov as this gives me volume control for any analogue speakers in the system such as surrounds or subwoofers.
(Which I wouldn't have if I handled the volume in the DSP)

The 271 will have variable analogue outputs, so the Trinnov could be set to unity gain output, and then the 271/DSP handle all the volume control, which may well be a better solution than using the Trinnov volume as I do currently.
In this situation it would be nice if the Trinnov Volume Knob could be hijacked to vary the Meridian volume, I'm discussing with Trinnov about this possibility.

Rick


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#271803 - 2018-01-13 18:45 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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thx Rick.

it all sounds a bit Rube Goldbergian, to say the least.

& so much for apodizing and upsampling as early as possible w/ that solution grin

maybe best to ask Trinnov to collaborate w/ M on their 861v10 and stop w/ this convoluted hacking, and then that overpriced 4k switcher box can be better justified after all.

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#271804 - 2018-01-13 18:54 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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If you had all DSP processors then would it not be easier?

What I'm thinking is... feeding digital audio out of the Trinnov and into the DSPs is easy, a set of Reviers will expose SPDIF's you can connect to. The challenge is volume control, but could you not use any Meridian controller for that? If you could hookup an old 561 and get it to send out comms instructions, then it can switch on and off, mute and control volume for the speakers, even if it's not actually outputting the audio they are playing...

Does that make sense?


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#271810 - 2018-01-13 19:46 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
thx Rick.

it all sounds a bit Rube Goldbergian, to say the least.

& so much for apodizing and upsampling as early as possible w/ that solution grin

maybe best to ask Trinnov to collaborate w/ M on their 861v10 and stop w/ this convoluted hacking, and then that overpriced 4k switcher box can be better justified after all.
He asked for that! (Sorry Rick!)


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#271812 - 2018-01-13 19:56 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: David Haworth]
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I use the Trinnov Amethyst/Meridian 861 duo for my three front channels (8k).
Roon can run over the ID40, the 218 or the Amethyst.

The audio chain is 218 with SL into the 861 and via custom adapter cables(SL to XLR and RCA) into the Amethyst. Then with adapter-cables from XLR and RCA from the Amethyst to the speakers.

The comms and serial part of the SL cables from the 861 are split and bypass the Trinnov and get then combined after the Amethyst with the audio output of the Amethyst so finally SL/ethernet cables run to the speakers.

I am just thinking over if I should make a easy smart solution for that, but untill the 271 is out, it make no sense. Of course it depend also on the price of the 271.

As far I understand, the 271 is mainly the same as the caible solution, means the Trinnov volume should be untouced and the communication for the volume and other control runs simply through the 271, so it’s mechanical mainly a connector adapter for DSP speakers.

It make no sense to use the Trinnov volume as the volume control in the DSP is the better concept.


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#271816 - 2018-01-13 20:20 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
maybe best to ask Trinnov to collaborate w/ M on their 861v10 and stop w/ this convoluted hacking, and then that overpriced 4k switcher box can be better justified after all.
If you purchase the Trinnov Altitude 32 you essentially get the 722 included inside it for “no extra charge” so you wouldn’t have to worry about the cost of an extra 4K switcher.


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#271817 - 2018-01-13 20:55 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: JOE-C]
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i just want M to release a bleeding edge 861 that's as good or better than the Trinnov and not worry about patch boxes, hacks, etc. hell, i'd be that much more inclined to get the switcher box.

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#271818 - 2018-01-13 20:57 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Don’t hold your breath...


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#271820 - 2018-01-13 22:35 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
i just want M to release a bleeding edge 861 that's as good or better than the Trinnov and not worry about patch boxes, hacks, etc. hell, i'd be that much more inclined to get the switcher box.
I think we all want that but I’m afraid with the release of the 271 M may be telling us something different if you read between the lines.

If you want the latest codecs and even room correction I’m afraid we will need to look elsewhere for processors.


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#271821 - 2018-01-13 23:09 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: JOE-C]
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I’d just be happy if they would release the 271... have any started shipping, or what are we hearing re availability?


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#271822 - 2018-01-13 23:19 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Vjayh]
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Edited by CMB Integrations - Bruce; 2018-01-14 14:58.
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#271833 - 2018-01-14 16:20 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Would it be fair to summarize that we have dealers on both sides of the Atlantic who are already running pure digital multichannel Trinnov to a bunch of DSPs combined with Analog speakers?

The 271 makes this easier and more elegant for wiring in general, and Comms in particular, to involve other components especially M processors. Both digital and analog inputs in up to 64 channels can be achieved by stacking 271s. At present Trinnov and Datasat(?) provide both digital and analog outputs which work with appropriate cabling, and most any processor can connect through analog inputs. High end processor companies would hopefully be wise to take note that these digital outputs should be added to keep their processors State of the Art.

The foregoing seems table stakes to convincing high end integrators/retailers that DSPs speakers remain commercially viable in the short to medium term. If this is not achieved M becomes by default a 2 channel company at the leading edge. With the two newest 2 channel technologies around which M’s equipment is now predicated in other hands, this is less than ideal and has contributed to the departure of much of the engineering talent.


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#271834 - 2018-01-14 18:12 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Mtns]
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#271835 - 2018-01-14 19:33 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Yes
Succinct and to the point.
Latin, Succinctus, 'Tucked Up'. Some may think they have been! crazy

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