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#261625 - 2017-03-16 17:15 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Crion]
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Hi Crion,

No there's no Trinnov / Meridian alliance happening!

This coupling is purely an Audio Images experiment, the Trinnov well suited to drive Meridian DSP as it can output 96/24 PCM out to every channel.

Rick


Audio Images, 284 Glossop Road, Sheffield, England. Tel: 0114 273 7893
Website: www.audio-images.co.uk Email: Click here to email Rick
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#261627 - 2017-03-16 17:22 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Rick,

Thanks for the info on the HDMI card.

Is the Trinnov capable of setting and adjusting volume of attached DSP speakers? What about speakers with only SpeakerLink connections - how are they handled?

Wayne


System 1: 861v6+ID40, HD621, DSP3200 x3, DSW, analogue surr, Bel Canto S300, Sony XBR-75Z9D, Oppo UDP-203, Kaleidescape
System 2: 808.3 upgraded to 808v6, MC200, DSP8000.2 with SE Upgrade
System 3: F80
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#261630 - 2017-03-16 17:40 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: Wayne]
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Hi Wayne,

There are a couple of ways we can handle the volume:

1) Fix the Trinnov at 'Unity Gain' and use an MSR (or third party control system) to handle the volume in the DSP speakers.

2) Fix the DSP speakers at Unity Gain (87), and let the Trinnov do the volume.

Pros and Cons with both systems, it will be one of the first experiments we do when we're fully set up to decide which we prefer.

Potentially 1) will benefit from the DSP receiving full digital information and utilising Meridian's hybrid digital / analogue volume controls.

2) Will mean the Trinnov truncates the digital information to the DSP as it reduces volume (potentially affecting performance), BUT does mean that other non-DSP speakers could be used for surround channels for example.

As for SpeakerLink DSP connection we will be manufacturing our own interface box which connects to the Trinnov DB25 output and provides 16 'Meridian DSP' SpeakerLink outputs, making the cabling very straightforward.

Rick


Audio Images, 284 Glossop Road, Sheffield, England. Tel: 0114 273 7893
Website: www.audio-images.co.uk Email: Click here to email Rick
Twitter: Audio Images
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#261666 - 2017-03-17 01:03 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I bought the Trinnov and it has been part of my DSP system for the last six months. It is amazing. The difference between MRC and Trinnov is like night and day since the Trinnov does room correction across the whole band and a whole host of other things besides.

Shankar


Oppo BDP-103D, Sonos, Cable, Trinnov Altitude32 into 861v8(dumb) into 8000SE, Paradigm Sub 1, JLAudio f112 x 2, KRK Monitors for surrounds, Sony VW500ES
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#261668 - 2017-03-17 02:34 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Shankar]
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Rick,

This is excellent news. I agree with Shankar, that the RC is simply superior to MRC.

I do however have one question on the DSP speakers? How do you separate the different channels in a DSP. With two or three channel analog speakers, I can separate the upper and mid from the lower end bass, using two channels on the Trinnov and the crossover within the Trinnov. Clearly I need another amp channel. Is this possible on M DSP's?

Once again, congrads!


Primary: MD600, MS200 (SpeakerLink to AES), Trinnov ST-2, Ayre V6-xe, Salk SS8 3x LRC.
Secondary: MC600 (whole house).
Zone one: 568.2, G57, MS200, Spatial Hologram M2SE.
Zone 2-6 (Awaiting assignment).
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#261669 - 2017-03-17 03:06 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Yetis]
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Looks like there would be many trade in 861v8s available soon.


HT: Audiocom Oppo203 signature, 861v8, DSP6Ks(LCR), DSP5000.1
Revel b112*2 b110*2 AntimodeX4 JVCx570
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#261671 - 2017-03-17 05:27 Re: Trinnov and Meridian [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Rick,
I am strongly interested, have already have some experience with a Trinnov Amethyst, but the problem is MHR which can only switched off with tricks.

But HOW to turn MHR off on a DVD 800v3/v4 where I play my DVD-V and DVD-A?

I tried a lot of things, but have no success.

I am interested of course to play (real) MCh music, so the integration of the 800 is important for me.

Robert


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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#261672 - 2017-03-17 07:24 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Albert
Looks like there would be many trade in 861v8s available soon
Maybe, but the 861 is still an excellent processor for those not interested in sticking speakers in the ceiling. (Mine sold within 2 days of advertising here and I had a lot of interest). Also the Trinnov Alt32 costs >£22k when you add the essential extras. They are bringing out a cheaper 16 channel model but apparantly it won't be upgradable like the 32.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261679 - 2017-03-17 08:29 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Albert]
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Haha, I understand your motivation to "speed up" M to make something, that way I interpret your words. I also want to stay with Meridian, but there have to be a solution ASAP and not in the next decades.

Trinnov RC is not "only" the best room correction, it also improve the timing of the chassis of a speaker doesn't matter digital or analogue.

The "problem" using a Trinnov processor is, that now/current you loose MHR and for MQA it's not clear if it comes useable or not.

Why not M offer a "tape loop" like in old analogue times?
The sources are connected to the 861v6/8, get processed in 861 and available at the "tape out" in a HIRES format that the Trinnov will understand (no MHR in the first step).

Then the Trinnov get that data, make all the wonderful corrections and loop it back to the 861v6/8.
The 861 add MHR for the transport to the DSP.

If you have SE speakers then the final "fold out" of MQA will happen (or not).

Later on M can make their on solution like with integrated cards or a separate box maybe from Trinnov?

The "tape loop" solution can be made fast, so the owner have a very good and future proof solution.

For pure cinema freaks that want to have more then 6/8 channels, they have to go to Trinnov anyway to get all sweets.


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
Reviver
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#261680 - 2017-03-17 08:38 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: RobertW]
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If the Trinnov gets Roon and Roon gets MQA decoding, then I think I'd settle for the Trinnov's superior RC over the final bit of 'MQA rendering'


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#261701 - 2017-03-17 13:15 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: Cliff.]
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Well if M was smart, they would follow JBL's lead and just license an M branded Trinnov processor that accepts an MHR connection. The JBL has a proprietary Blulink into a standard Trinnov.


Primary: MD600, MS200 (SpeakerLink to AES), Trinnov ST-2, Ayre V6-xe, Salk SS8 3x LRC.
Secondary: MC600 (whole house).
Zone one: 568.2, G57, MS200, Spatial Hologram M2SE.
Zone 2-6 (Awaiting assignment).
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#261704 - 2017-03-17 13:31 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: RobertW]
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Compatibility with MQA is an interesting one..

I understand Trinnov will update the Altitude32 to include a Roon endpoint, which may be a route to MQA playback.
Another option is to use a 218 or 818v3 between the Trinnov and main DSP left and right speakers.

Rick


Audio Images, 284 Glossop Road, Sheffield, England. Tel: 0114 273 7893
Website: www.audio-images.co.uk Email: Click here to email Rick
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