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#246624 - 2016-02-07 17:20 Advice on a turntable
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Evening All,

Having listed to Elton John extol the virtues of vinyl recently (he has started re-buying all the vinyl he sold) and noting my local music store is now selling it again I thought I might give it a go too. Unfortunately I have absolutely no experience in this area having purchased my last record probably 20 years ago!

I currently own a 818 into a pair of 7200's so any connection would be into the 818.

Ideally I would not want to spend much more than £4000 / $6000 all in.

Other than that would love to hear ideas - there seems to be almost too much choice!

Cheers
Chris


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#246626 - 2016-02-07 17:35 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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I have analogue kit, but only came to vinyl in the past year. It has really shown up my CD player. With your DSP setup, you will lose some of the finer things a really good table can do ( although DSP Speakers obviously bring other benefits), so I think a modest table would be sufficient.

I have Rega RP3 with the Rega Exact cartridge ( most rp3 packages come with the elys 2 cartridge), plugged into a Rega MM fono stage. I am really pleased with it. Just sounds 'right' to me, although I did have to do an electrical tape modification to the sub platter to get it spinning at the correct speed.

With that budget, you can hop straight in with an RP8 with the apheta 2 cartridge and add their Aria phonostage. Very sleek looking and very highly regarded. The Linn LP12 Majik is also available for a similar cost, which will allow you to follow an upgrade path if you get the bug!


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#246629 - 2016-02-07 17:41 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: En1omb]
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Thanks En1omb!

Interestingly I had seen a review of the rega RP10 APHETA 2 which I would guess is in the same turntable range.

Thanks for the advice really helpful!
Chris


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#246630 - 2016-02-07 17:52 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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I have a soft spot for these turntables, good looking and built to last

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#246632 - 2016-02-07 18:02 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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You might consider a phono stage with a USB connection so that you can archive your LPs.

I use a NAD PP3i for that purpose but it is not (IMHO) as good as the (optional) 516 phono stage in the 562V.


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#246635 - 2016-02-07 19:26 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: Gianni]
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Yesterday, in HMV, I was surprised to see how expensive vinyl is relative to the price of CD.

While I do have a spare SME3009; when I can be bothered I will either buy a USB enabled turntable to rip my existing vinyl library - or buy a Thorens turntable to pair with my SME and utilise an existing Roland USB/Phono interface for the same purpose.

I already own SoundSoap in optimising such transfers.


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#246644 - 2016-02-07 20:36 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: spinaltap]
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I found that once I had a decent digital system (G08 + 5200) it sounded much better than my multi thousand pound vinyl set (full fat LP12 set up) up into the 5200s. I sold the LP12 and all its bits but just couldn't let the vinyl go even though I had bought a lot of it on CD to play through the G08. So I treated myself to a turntable that I always wanted because of its looks - Michell Gyro SE - and was surprised to find that it sounded much better than the LP12. A new arm, cartridge and phono amp over time has it sounding very nice indeed, and all bought as used items. I don't buy new music on vinyl but I can still play the hundreds of albums that I have not got on CD and I don't feel the need to replace them now.

So check out a Gyro SE.


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#246646 - 2016-02-07 20:42 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: TKimages]
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Just an observation, but with the Meridian kit that you have and MQA in the early stages of actually being rolled out, this seems a slightly strange time to re-commit to vinyl!


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#246649 - 2016-02-07 22:11 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: VirusKiller]
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I have owned & used a J A Mitchell Transcriptor Reference Hydraulic turntable since 1973, & whilst I believe it one of the sexiest pieces of HiFi hardware ever produced, the sound quality, IMHO, is not as good as a decent Meridian digital setup.


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#246650 - 2016-02-07 22:15 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: Late]
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Just googled it, it is a thing of beauty.


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#246651 - 2016-02-07 22:20 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: dpstjp]
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Imagine what the reaction to it was 40 years ago, and in its day it was up there with the LP12 (but better looking). But it still doesn't sound as good as Meridian digital (or am I biased).


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#246656 - 2016-02-08 04:15 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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I'm with VirusKiller on this. I'd wait a bit to see what your reaction to MQA is.

I'd always owned a turntable (my last was a Nottingham 294 going into a home built, Joe Curio designed) tube pre-preamp, and didn't think I'd ever give up vinyl.

When Meridian came out with their apodizing filter, the jig was up. I sold all my analog source gear, and have never looked back.

With my limited experience hearing MQA (one local demo using an 818 into DSP8000SE's, and at home with a few 2L albums into a Prime), I'm thoroughly convinced that digital done (MQA) well handily beats analog.

Confiscate my audiophile club card and denounce me, starting . . . now!


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#246671 - 2016-02-08 12:05 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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I would add a vote for the Gyro SE.

I have a Synchro (Gyro's little sibling from the 80's) and am very impressed with the ongoing support from Michell Engineering.

It's also one of the few sprung decks you can get for less than £500 second hand (the Synchro I mean!).


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#246706 - 2016-02-08 19:47 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: IanM]
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Evening All,

Thanks all for the great advice. A friend is arranging for me to try a Linn LP12 to give me an idea what it all sounds like - will take it from there!

Thanks so much
Chris


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#247935 - 2016-03-13 12:52 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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Morning All,

Just wanted to update this thread to let people know I went for an Linn LP12 turntable (Accurate model with radical/urika upgrade).

Now my next question - what is the best way to connect this to the 818 - the Linn supports balanced and unbalanced connections - any opinions?.

Many Thanks
Chris


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#247936 - 2016-03-13 12:59 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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IIRC the Radical/Urika is a phono pre-amp. The 818 only provides unbalanced analogue inputs on RCA so that eliminates the XLR option.


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#247943 - 2016-03-13 19:17 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: Gianni]
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Thanks!

Chris


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#271766 - 2018-01-13 09:31 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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Reviving this older tread but as vinyl gets so much press i was wondering how fellow Hitchhikers feel about playing vinyl through their M kit and or are there some tempted to get a turntable as an additional piece for musical joy?
Ditto as Tidal - MQA is dripfeeding some nice recordings now, i tell myself not to be foolish and fall for vinyl nostalgia but for the sake of a potential fun discussion looking for your opinions. I tell myself that yes a turntable is fun but it is mid life crisis, and a money trap. Or, nagging thought is vinyl nicer to listen to for instance Pink Floyd, Genesis than CD as not MQA'd, if ever?

Cheers!


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#271770 - 2018-01-13 09:49 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: JaapJan]
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Have you got a spare room to store all the discs you’ll need to buy? Ha ha

I know Roy Gandy of Rega fame and he would be happy to sell you a great turntable though. You would make his day.


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#271774 - 2018-01-13 10:02 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Had my rega planer 2 since the late 80's and although it's been upgraded with better quality consumables (belt etc) it's still going strong. Quality engineering.

I remember at the time of purchase the guy said it had a lifetime guarantee, indeed!

Rega would get my vote.

Lee


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#271775 - 2018-01-13 10:03 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: JaapJan]
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Hi All,

Well I have been using my LP12 through 7200SE and an 818 and I absolutely love it. The sound is fantastic.

Now I don’t know what I am doing wrong with Tidal thorough the 818 via roon on my windows laptop but the sound is terrible - flat and lifeless. And I mean lifeless - the difference is like being in a nice warm bath vs being kicked repeatedly in the balls while having your head punched by Mike Tyson. What I mean is not subtle in any way.

My wife is a classically trained musician and she won’t listen to Tidal that way it’s so poor.

As I say no idea what I am doing wrong.

Of course there is no doubt that Tidal is way easier! I just had to replace my copy of Elgars Cello Concerto as it got a scratch in the intro.

Chris


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#271777 - 2018-01-13 10:37 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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You are paying for the TIDAL "HiFi" subscription?


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#271779 - 2018-01-13 10:48 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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Sorry if I missed it, are you using Sooloos or Roon to stream tidal?


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#271780 - 2018-01-13 10:50 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: Ratbert]
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#271781 - 2018-01-13 10:52 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: VirusKiller]
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#271786 - 2018-01-13 12:01 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
You are paying for the TIDAL "HiFi" subscription?
Yep I am

Chris


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#271787 - 2018-01-13 12:13 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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So as you post, your setup is wrong, but where ?


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#271789 - 2018-01-13 12:30 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: RobertW]
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Yep but not obvious where.

The 7200SE's I think are fine because they sound epic with vinyl
The 818 is great with vinyl also and is certainly being picked up by roon as an end point.

I suppose some kind of configuration in either the 818 or roon?

Chris


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#271791 - 2018-01-13 13:06 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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Perhaps worthwhile to add the preamp of your choice when commenting.
Cheers!


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#271792 - 2018-01-13 13:13 Re: Advice on a turntable [Re: phcjpp]
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Originally Posted By phcjpp
Yep but not obvious where.

The 7200SE's I think are fine because they sound epic with vinyl
The 818 is great with vinyl also and is certainly being picked up by roon as an end point.

I suppose some kind of configuration in either the 818 or roon?
When you are playing a tidal track can you post an image of your signal path, you get this by clicking on the light (LED) at the bottom of the screen to the right of the track name?


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