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#239762 - 2015-09-10 14:35 Coffee Machine Suggestions
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It's not a good week for terminal kitchen appliance breakdowns in the Guest household (!)

First, the dishwasher, then the pump in my Bosch coffee machine! It's only 18 months old, and Bosch don't offer a repair service. It's scrap.

Fortunately, it looks as though John Lewis will refund my outlay as its within their 2 year guarantee period (they can't provide a direct replacement).

So, what to choose - and, more importantly, a bean-to-cup machine that can actually be repaired should the worst happen in future.

Does anyone have experience of owning a particular brand of bean-to-cup coffee machine that developed a serious fault and was then successfully repaired by the manufacturer?


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#239763 - 2015-09-10 15:04 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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We had a Jura (S9 I think) - which was (expensively) repaired many times (which ultimately was the issue for such an expensive machine).

Currently on a De'Longhi Prima Donna S - only 1 repair so far and brew unit is user replaceable so I'm hopeful it'll last or be easy to change. Of course we bought it 1/2 price on Black Friday in John Lewis a couple of years ago so my value judgement is coloured by that.

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#239765 - 2015-09-10 16:28 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Caldham]
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We've got a built in Siemens coffee machine. I managed to break it and then not report it for about 9 months! Was fixed within a week for £90 - much to the family's disgust (with my inaction!) It's been pretty reliable and the fault was self inflicted, but there is a fair amount of owner servicing required. I think it is a badged Bosch.

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#239769 - 2015-09-10 17:34 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: GMT]
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I just have a couple of jars lol, one caffeine and one De Caff. Works for me and I love popping the seal on a new one.

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#239772 - 2015-09-10 19:04 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Rancilio Silvia. Great machine.


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#239774 - 2015-09-10 20:15 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ludwig]
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#239780 - 2015-09-11 08:30 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Caldham]
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Here's another thumbs up for the De'Longhi Prima Donna, owned this for over 2 years with no issues, a great machine

As already pointed out you can get all the parts for this machine should the unfortunate happen


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#239781 - 2015-09-11 09:13 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Unrepairable after 18-23 months sounds perfect. Money back --> new machine. Cost free coffee drinking!

I use an aeropress which is more manual than you want but only costs £25 and makes the best coffee i've ever had at home.


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#239782 - 2015-09-11 10:08 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: DuncanBudd]
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+1 for the Aeropress!


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#239783 - 2015-09-11 10:12 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Rolski]
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Busiest thread on the site, confused

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#239785 - 2015-09-11 10:32 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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People need their coffee wink


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#239786 - 2015-09-11 11:49 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Lots of offers on the Gaggia UK website.

Repair service offered.

Next door neighbour has one and offers very fine coffee.

I still use the convenience and available variety of pods.

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#239787 - 2015-09-11 11:52 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Hector

And very nice they are too.

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#239789 - 2015-09-11 12:51 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Originally Posted By Hector
I still use the convenience and available variety of pods.
My Bosch Tassimo T85 is still going strong after 5 years usage. Of all their pods, those by Carte Noir are the most preferable.

Even, so even the 'best' Tassimo coffee pod can't remotely compare to the taste of freshly brewed coffee beans.


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#239792 - 2015-09-11 13:26 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Nespresso is about the only 'automatic' coffee system I can tolerate, having lived in Italy and worked as a barista years ago. If you do go for one of these, the Pixie machines are well thought out and very reliable, the ones made by Magimix, at least.


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#239796 - 2015-09-11 14:07 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
People need their coffee wink
Absolutely. Beethoven couldn't compose without it. He counted a precise number of beans to make his each morning. Wrong number of beans: no music!


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#239799 - 2015-09-11 14:27 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: 3dit0r]
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Nespresso Citiz + Milk is great here (Magimix).

Milk unit magnetic frothing rotation failed after approximately 1 year. Unit replaced FOC and they collected the old unit also FOC.

Great company and product.

To get the best, warm the cups before use.

Great variety but waiting for a blend with "Fig Seasoning" just like the old Bramah product.

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#239800 - 2015-09-11 14:46 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ludwig]
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Originally Posted By Ludwig
Originally Posted By Cliff.
People need their coffee wink
Absolutely. Beethoven couldn't compose without it. He counted a precise number of beans to make his each morning. Wrong number of beans: no music!
That explains why I'm a rubbish composer - I drink tea.


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#239803 - 2015-09-11 15:13 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Cliff.]
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Another +1 for Nespresso. I think they are the DSP5k of the coffee world; cheap and delicious.

My Nespresso Magimix M100 is still going strong since 2008. One milk frother replaced (don't submerge it in the washing up bowl) and surprisingly responsive support line when I couldn't get the milk hot enough.


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#239808 - 2015-09-11 18:19 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: shiggins]
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The Nespresso Magimix Citiz my wife bought me a couple of Christmases ago is one of the best presents ever.

The convenience to enjoyment factor are just about right for me.
Not the real thing, but it's a good enough approximation for me as an espresso junkie. And since the Nespresso monopoly was broken for the pods (who says the EU doesn't do anything for us) I am really enjoying some of the offerings in Waitrose, especially Carte Noire.

Or, if you ever do a booze run, stock up at the French supermarkets with pods.

I think the DSP5000 analogy isn't far off.
Though I'd love to taste a DSP7200 espresso grin


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#239811 - 2015-09-11 19:40 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Sir Ron Ekim]
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I think the DSP7200 espresso comes with its own George Clooney barista.


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#239819 - 2015-09-11 22:51 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: 3dit0r]
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You have all bought the wrong machine wink (For drip coffee)

The combined grinder and coffee maker below is a beast, I have had it for close to three years now and we make 2 rounds of coffee a day at least. I bought it for my wife and she's still making comments about how great it is.

Breville BDC550XL The YouBrew Glass Drip Coffee Maker


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#239828 - 2015-09-12 08:22 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: MagnusB]
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I managed to get through 3 Breville kettles in 18 months, with the matching toaster lasting just as long. I won't be buying Breville ever again.

I spent the extra money required to buy the much better quality Dualit kettle - and toaster. Crossed fingers, they're still both working well after 2 years usage.


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#239831 - 2015-09-12 13:14 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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We had a rather expensive Dualit kettle also. Just outside of the warranty period the base plate element blew. Bang!!
I was surprised that it was not repairable and I didn't get anything from Dualit.
Love their toasters as everything is repairable.


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#239832 - 2015-09-12 13:43 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: ncpl]
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I buy the cheapest kettle or toaster available. £12.00 perhaps with a view to replace annually.
Three years alter, they are both still going strong.
This post will inevitably be the kiss of death for them Lol Chris smile


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#239837 - 2015-09-12 15:10 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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For expensive items that you expect to last, don't forget the 6 year rule in UK with the seller. Some retailers have already woken up to this and won't quibble with a replacement - Apple Store for instance. I got a brand new motherboard fitted free on my well out of warranty MBP - the moment 6 year rule was mentioned.

But this won't work on items where you would not expect them to last, like cheap kettles and toasters.


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#239838 - 2015-09-12 15:57 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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So far, it looks as though Jura, Gaggia, DeLonghi, Krups, and, Miele, all provide an after-sales repair service for their bean-to-cup machines: the exception being Bosch.

I am surprised to see less-than-favourable end-user reviews for the Jura machines - as I thought these were the 'gold standard' in such coffee machines.


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#239839 - 2015-09-12 16:22 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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I loved the coffee the Jura made but it was so unreliable and with repairs running into hundreds rather than tens of pounds it had to go... Although, of course, now it's still working fine with my son, but I suspect he drinks less than we did.

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#239841 - 2015-09-12 17:40 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
I managed to get through 3 Breville kettles in 18 months, with the matching toaster lasting just as long. I won't be buying Breville ever again.
My experience is the opposite with Breville, I have had both a coffee machine and a toaster for close to three years and they see extensive use. No issues whatsoever.


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#239846 - 2015-09-12 19:06 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: MagnusB]
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Perhaps Breville is better made for the USA market.


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#239850 - 2015-09-13 09:21 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
We had a rather expensive Dualit kettle also. Just outside of the warranty period the base plate element blew. Bang!!
I was surprised that it was not repairable and I didn't get anything from Dualit.
Love their toasters as everything is repairable.

My experience is the same. Dualit seem only capable of making toasters. The rest is rubbish.

KitchenAid is much more consistent across the range, if you want well-made expensive gear in your kitchen.


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#239852 - 2015-09-13 11:56 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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I too have had a Jura S9 coffee machine purchased just under 8 years ago and love the coffee it makes. It probably makes 6-8 coffees every day.

As for reliability we have had two issues - the first repaired under warranty just before the guarantee ran out. The last fault was last year at a cost of approximately £200 including Jura collecting and bringing back but otherwise it has been working well.

I would hate to be without it as with the right beans it seems far superior to Costa-Bucks.

My only petty issue with it is the cappuccino/ latte nozzle is not height adjustable - so it is difficult to get tall glasses under when making a latte. I know- first world problem.

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#239874 - 2015-09-13 18:36 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Richard N]
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Gaggia appears to fall under the same branding as Phillips and Saeco coffee machines - with identical machines sporting one of these monikers.

Does anyone own one of these? If so, opinions?


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#240028 - 2015-09-17 06:46 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Although I have yet to settle on a new B2C machine, I am gravitating towards Jura. However, it concerns me that the brew unit cannot be removed for routine cleaning.

Even so, I'm currently looking at the slim-line ENA9 One Touch. It's only 2cm wider than my Tassimo T85.

It would appear that any criticism of a given Jura machine primarily focuses on those not specifically made in Switzerland.

Separately, I contacted Miele directly, who advised me that although the electronics are designed by Miele, their coffee machines are manufactured by Jura.


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#241156 - 2015-10-07 19:47 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Despite my considerable misgivings, I've ordered a De'Longhi B2C super-automatic from John Lewis.

The De'Longhi rep provided a suitable demonstration at the John Lewis Birmingham open-evening recently. Contrary to some De'Longhi reviews that I've read, the cappuccino produced was sufficiently hot enough to burn my tongue.

A £150 promotional discount helped ease the pain, together with a further £100 price-matching discount from John Lewis (thanks Debenhams). Overall, with the refund gained from my Bosch VeroCafe, the cost-to-change was £315.

While there's four new Miele countertop B2C machines due for release some time in January, I wasn't prepared to wait that long, and, it would have cost a further £938 for the Miele privilege.

I hope that I don't regret my purchasing decision.


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#241157 - 2015-10-07 19:49 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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With all the discounts it sounds like you made a profit?

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#241177 - 2015-10-08 11:08 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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If only that was true...

On reading copious user reviews on different coffee machines, I was dismayed by at least one Miele owner, for example, whose coffee machine 'went pop' after just 18 coffee brews. I came to the conclusion that buying an expensive machine wasn't necessarily a guarantee of its longevity.

The Miele doesn't have a water filter either. I read that the integral water filters added significantly to their long-term performance - which is certainly true of my Tassimo's integral water filter, which is still performing strong after 5 years. The De'Longhi has such a water filter (and is readily available).

The Miele required a separate milk flask, compared to the De'Longhi's integral milk carafe. It also sports a swap-over steam wand, which is useful when my daughter visits - who only drinks Soy milk.

Likewise, the De'Longhi isn't so much 'idiot proof' as 'wife proof'. Just the press of a button is all that she needs to produce her choice of flat white, cappuccino, or latte macchiato.

For her, it should be almost as simple as using the Tassimo (I hope).

Addendum: today, I received a telephone call from Miele marketing, who insisted that the new models were now on sale at Steamer Trading Cookshop - which wasn't reflected on their website. The advice from Steamer was that such models wouldn't be available until just before Christmas (!).


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#241189 - 2015-10-08 16:43 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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We use a Villaware espresso machine with steam wand and love it! It's now 2 years old and going strong. The key to longevity is in the cleaning, after every use mine gets cleaned and I run a tank full of softened water through every few uses plus a white vinegar clean every few weeks. If you live in a hard water area you need to be especially careful. I also boil the pucks every week to flush out any old coffee residue.

The Villaware if it can still be had is very easy to use, can turn round a latte in under 5 minutes from switching on and has a half decent length steam wand with removable frother (gimmick, get denser micro foam without)

I'm dreading the day it stops working!

And a +1 for the Aeropress, amazing device and easily the best £20 I ever spent!

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#241212 - 2015-10-09 11:01 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Big T]
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FWI, after a day's break. John Lewis have reintroduced the De'Longhi cashback offer on selected B2C machines. Offer closes on 14th October.

You can obtain a better cashback deal if you can find your chosen machine elsewhere, and is in stock by the other retailer.

Addendum: I visited Grand Designs Live at the NEC, where the new Miele CM7 countertop range was being demonstrated by Miele. You select 'cuppucinno' and the brew head automatically lowers to accommodate your chosen drink. To me, that really is style over substance, and certainly not worth the eye-watering £2.3k asking price.


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#241767 - 2015-10-21 11:09 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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The quest continues...

After 23 'sample cups' (and subsequent caffeine-affected sleep), I returned the De'Longhi to John Lewis. Even using the smoothest/full bodied of Lavazza beens, the coffee produced was dreadful (no matter how I adjusted the coffee strength or grinding method).

My conclusion is that an integrated milk carafe is no substitute for a dedicated steamer - which was an integral feature of my previous Bosch VeroCafe. The huge risk in even thinking about buying another one of these is their short life span - so it's not an option.

In my limited time with the De'Longhi, the milk carafe produced more 'froth' without body rather than milk in attempting to produce my favoured latte macchiato. The De'Longhi was only programmed to produce a small espresso macchiato (contrary to the photograph on the John Lewis website).

The Krups EA9010 has the familiar streamer that I'm looking for. Annoyingly, John Lewis had one on display: which still held a full water tank, coffee beans, and coffee grounds from when it was being demonstrated by a Krups representative a while ago (how hygienic) - but John Lewis staff weren't confident enough to provide a demonstration. While they referred me to online demonstrations, this wouldn't portray how the coffee tasted (!).

Still, I suppose that's what my daughter would call 'a first-world problem'.


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#241824 - 2015-10-22 12:31 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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None of the automated machines and milk 'frothers' I have used have delivered any where near the quality of drink I like.

If you want to go for a quality machine and grinder get a Rancilio Silvia and Rocky grinder.

It's a bit more involved than just pushing a button but the results will impress.

That's where I will be heading once my machine dies.


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#241828 - 2015-10-22 13:13 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Big T]
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The number of times that you must have walked in to John Lewis, you would be better signing up for a Waitrose card and getting a free coffee...


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#241831 - 2015-10-22 13:34 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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Or just go to or have it delivered by 'your choice of coffee vendor' it is probably cheaper based on how often your machines need replacing confused

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#241832 - 2015-10-22 14:17 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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I just go to Patissierie Valerie. They use Illy coffee (IMO the best flavour of the mass market suppliers) and their flat white is served in a smaller cup with a double shot.

If you are a Barclays Premier account holder you don't even have to pay...

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#241837 - 2015-10-22 14:52 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
The number of times that you must have walked in to John Lewis, you would be better signing up for a Waitrose card and getting a free coffee...

I do have one, and I often do (the Waitrose own-branded beans are more than acceptable). Unfortunately, my local branch is at least 2 miles away from home, and wouldn't satisfy my weekly brewing of 35 cappuccinos. The cost of buying a new super-automatic is soon recovered compared to buying that number of cappuccinos from the likes of Starbucks or Costa, for example.

Originally Posted By MalcolmW
I just go to Patissierie Valerie. They use Illy coffee (IMO the best flavour of the mass market suppliers) and their flat white is served in a smaller cup with a double shot.

I have used over-rated and over-priced Illy coffee beans. Better quality beans at lower prices can be sourced elsewhere.


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#241839 - 2015-10-22 15:40 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: MalcolmW]
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... They use Illy coffee (IMO the best flavour of the mass market suppliers) ...
I'm going to controversially agree. I really missed my local 'Illy' coffee shop when I moved work location - but then, it did give me the opportunity to decaffeinate myself, although I am unfortunately slowly increasing my input again (would be worse if the coffee served at work actually tasted any good).


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#241868 - 2015-10-23 09:16 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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The illy beans produce a pretty good shot if you like the 'Italian' taste and they make a good flat white.

I also use Rave Coffees signature blend from time to time which is very nice.

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Could anyone recommend some online coffee bean shop?
Sorry for the off topic.


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#241887 - 2015-10-24 07:16 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Albert]
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I'm sure that there are many such traders around the globe, but my two recommendations are Cooper Coffee and EightPointNine.


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Thanks, that's what I need.


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#242380 - 2015-11-05 14:46 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Albert]
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FWIW, in a web chat with De'Longhi, it transpired that their Eletta range (at least) only uses 7g of coffee in preparing any drink - whether that is short, standard, long, or, extra long coffee. No wonder, then, that I experienced (diluted) thin and bitter coffee taste prior to returning my De'Longhi Eletta Cappuccino to John Lewis.

By comparison, the Miele CM6110/CM6310 (made by Jura) permits variable coffee adjustments between 6g to 14g per individual drink (in addition to variable water level per drink).

So, in choosing your super-automatic coffee machine, check first on how much coffee is actually used in the brewing process.

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#242567 - 2015-11-10 13:42 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Yesterday, I visited my local 'Nespresso Boutique' for a demonstration of their machines. I wasn't disappointed.

Imagine that you were able to participate in a blind taste test - between (my returned) De'Longhi Eletta Top B2C machine and a Nespresso, you might be forgiven in believing that the De'Longhi had produced the real thing, while slop had been produced by the Nespresso.

In my demonstration of the Nespresso the reverse was true - by a country mile!

I sampled a medium-sized Ristretto based cappuccino, with milk produced by their Aerocinno (which I already own). It really hit the spot. I was very pleasantly surprised - and subsequently ordered a Krups CitiZ.

I was also impressed by Nespresso's commitment in providing a loan machine if and when a customer's brewer became faulty (in or out of warranty). It's a free service in warranty, or for a flat fee out of warranty.

Locally, Waitrose stock a wide variety of NX (Nespresso compatible) capsules, including my favourite Carte Noire pods. Also, they now sell 4 different PG Tips flavoured tea NX capsules.

My new Citiz will suffice while I await the Black Friday/New Year sales. Whatever the merits of Nespresso, I can't do without a proper B2C machine.

BTW, I hadn't appreciated that my Tassimo only produced drinks at 3.3 bar pressure, unlike a B2C machine at 15 bar pressure. By comparison, Nespresso produces coffee at 19 bar pressure.


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#242569 - 2015-11-10 14:25 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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FWIW, I've settled on the Taylors of Harrogate "Brazil Yellow Bourbon Espresso" capsules. Really hits my taste buds; strong, but not bitter. Available from Tesco, Sainsburys, and Waitrose.



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#242589 - 2015-11-11 12:35 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: VirusKiller]
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Has anybody found a Nespresso compatible capsule with "Fig Seasoning" a la the greatest old "Bramah" Viennese coffee offering of years gone by.
This was a regular favourite in the 1970's.

Hey Spinaltap I thought you were a chocolate lover from Bournville wink

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#242603 - 2015-11-11 15:53 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Hey Spinaltap I thought you were a chocolate lover from Bournville wink
As the years have progressed, I now much prefer the taste of dark chocolate. I really don't like Cadbury milk chocolate anymore.

Thankfully, Cadbury bought Green & Blacks before Mondelez took over - so my dark chocolate requirements are easily satisfied.

As for advice on Fig flavoured coffee capsules, I suggest adding Monin Fig Syrup to an existing coffee brew.


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#243362 - 2015-11-30 13:54 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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It wasn't necessarily my preferred Jura model, but I've just bagged 50% off a Jura Impressa A9 from John Lewis. With the refund from my old VeroCafe, the overall cost will be £175.

Crossed fingers that the quality of coffee will live up to Jura expectations.

On the Nespresso, having tried a selection of different intensity drinks, I do have a taste for Nespresso 'Darken' (intensity 11): I can't imagine why. cool


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#244265 - 2015-12-24 17:09 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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If anyone's interested, John Lewis currently have the Jura Impressa A9 (Platinum) - that I recently bought - in their clearance sale, at £575.

That's almost 50% off retail (the 'aluminium' version on John Lewis is £1,150).

You can read my review of the Impressa A9 on the John Lewis website.


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#253068 - 2016-08-28 08:03 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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May be some coffee machines going at the last remaining BHS stores today. Everything for sale, including fixtures and fittings - may extend to the cafe appliances.


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#259346 - 2017-02-11 17:49 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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I'm without my Jura A9 since John Lewis broke it beyond repair during a maintenance pitstop. Sad, as it made really great Coffee.

I'm presently 'slumming it' with my Nespresso CitiZ while I research a suitable Jura replacement. Incidentally, Starbucks' Espresso NX pods are really good.


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#259347 - 2017-02-11 17:52 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Surely JL will replace it'?

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#259350 - 2017-02-11 17:56 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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No. As there wasn't a similar model available at the same price-point I was refunded the price paid. Their opinion was that I had a free Coffee machine for 12+ months.


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I looked at all these consumer machines and decided that I didn't want to pay up to a grand (or more) for something that wasn't going to last me 20 years (and have parts available for 20 years).

So I paid a premium for an ex-dem Quick Mill Verona prosumer espresso machine from Bella Barista, not a million miles away from me in Wellingborough. It's the antithesis of the one-button espresso machine (though it does have dual temperature controller and shot timer).

It looks the part, is fully serviceable (and will be for years), and rewards effort put into understanding the espresso-making process.



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#259365 - 2017-02-11 21:00 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: VirusKiller]
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That looks like a fun piece of kit! However, £3k is OTT for me.

My thoughts are that I want something my wife can use too: it would be nice if someone else in my household made the Coffee.

I'm therefore gravitating towards Miele. They're manufactured by Jura, but designed by Miele with Miele electronics. They assure me that they're tested to last 20 years.

I will be visiting the Miele Experience Centre in Abingdon next weekend for a demo.

Edit: interesting that Jura closed Bella Barista's account for daring to criticise the shortcomings of the Jura E8.


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#259366 - 2017-02-11 21:08 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Have a look in the outlet store on site, you may yet get a bargain?

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#259367 - 2017-02-11 21:11 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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Miele 'B' grade stock doesn't qualify for additional warranty protection outside the standard 2 year warranty period, unfortunately.


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Interesting thread...given the standardisation of Nespresso or similar coffee pod systems, the heat and pump specification are the same across manufacturers and models - so in some ways buying anything other than the cheapest model is a bit of waste. Sure the more costly models may have add on features for convenience and style but the coffee with highly likely taste the same. The house we moved to has a built in Miele Espresso machine - has a hopper for 5 different capsules, various cup/volume choices and a dedicated steamer and steamer jug for frothing the milk. Tells you when to descale it - which takes forever to preform. Makes an awesome babycinco for my kids - which has been it main use. The steamer has broken and now rarely use it. Kids not happy - must be a repairer somewhere but have not been bothered to look. Not sure the coffee tastes any better than the cheapest Espresso machine at Argos. But each to their own.

Personally I know favour a filter/pour over coffee over espresso based coffees and have a Mazzer Mini grinder to freshly grind my favourite blend, which I helped specify while working on a new restaurant-cafe-bar concept. During one tasting session at the roasters we trialled 9 different beans/blends - first as an espresso shot and then as a flat white - to see whether the espresso made it through the milk. Milk has such a great impact on coffee taste - far more than the beans. We then retasted 4 beans/blends with a different roast profile (i.e. number of seconds in the roaster at max roast temp). Another 8 shots. All made as double shots with 20 grams of coffee. I could have flown back to London with all that caffeine.

For making filter coffee with a press or aeropress I use 60gr/litre of coffee and brew for 3mins (sometimes 4 mins). If making espresso, I use 20grams for a double shot. What are people using? What milk are you using? Cravendale was a favourite by some - a bit sweet to my taste. What beans/blends?

If looking for an espresso machine, I do not think you could go past a La Marzocco G3 for home use. It does not grind the beans (a parallel to not processing audio and video in the one processor) but most importantly it has dual boilers for temperature stability. Mind you it is not cheap:

La Marzocco GS3

I saw this from Sage - looks like an interest spec as will also grind the beans - but have no idea whether it is any good:

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My favourite appliances, some owned - some desired - are:

Atomic Espresso & Milk Frother

My first espresso machine from university days and still with me. Can take it anywhere (home/boat/caravan/camp fire) but not a inductive hob as it is made of aluminium. Not nearly as light as an Aeropress - which I also have for holidays. They will ship to the UK and stock spares. Somewhat like an Italian espresso stove top machine but with steam and frother.

Mazzer Mini

A great grinder - easy to adjust the grind profile over time as the blades wear. Efficient and does not over heat/burn the beans as they grind. Noisy, takes up space on the counter but leaves a great aroma in the air. Had to buy a separate smaller hopper as the 5L one supplied did not fit under the shelves but 0.5L is just fine for home use. Wish I had purchased the electronic dispenser too. You can find all of this gear on eBay second hand too.

Commercially, in the speciality coffee trade, Mahlkoenig is the favourite grinder:

Mahlkoenig Grinders

Drip filter machine - I have not acquired one but will one day - Technivorn. Arguably the best coffee making machine fully featured for coffee making but low on convenience factors (clock/timers etc).

Technivorn Drip Filter

I have a Sage kettle - which allows you to heat the water (filtered) to 85C as 100C scalds the grinds:
Sage Kettle

It is not cheap but when making non-builder teas it comes in to its own too. The kettle takes longer to get to 85C exactly than 100C. I am regularly impatient and just hit 100C and then let it cool for a bit then pour away...defeats the purpose but I am only human. it is stainless steel so does not add a burnt plastic taste to any hot beverage and descales easily with citric acid. Had it now for 3 years. Have had to take a dry plastic scourer to the power contact rings to remove some rust but otherwise keeps trucking on.


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#259383 - 2017-02-12 06:28 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Miele 'B' grade stock doesn't qualify for additional warranty protection outside the standard 2 year warranty period, unfortunately.


Oh no. I read that & just couldn't sleep last night. I've been worried sick about what to do for the best.

Talk about a rock n' roll lifestyle. grin


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#259385 - 2017-02-12 08:25 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Not'arf]
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Oh no. I read that & just couldn't sleep last night. I've been worried sick about what to do for the best.

Fortunately, I'm not seeking your approval.

When dropping more than a grand on a Coffee machine I want assurances that extend beyond 2 years: my other Miele appliances are covered by 10 year warranties.


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#259386 - 2017-02-12 08:37 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Oh dear. It's a great skill, being able to laugh at ourselves...

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#259387 - 2017-02-12 08:59 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Not'arf]
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Well, I'm off to make myself a nice cup of Earl Grey.

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#259395 - 2017-02-12 09:42 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ado]
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Originally Posted By Ado
..given the standardisation of Nespresso or similar coffee pod systems, the heat and pump specification are the same across manufacturers and models - so in some ways buying anything other than the cheapest model is a bit of waste.

That's what I like about Nespresso: De'Longhi, Kitchen Aid, Maximix, Krups, Prodigio, and Sage models are all manufactured by Nespresso.

If it goes wrong during the 3 year warranty period, their courier will collect your machine and leave you with a replacement while yours is being repaired. Outside the warranty period, its £49 (and you still receive a loan machine while yours is being repaired).

By comparison, Bosch aren't interested in repairing Tassimo machines.


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#259399 - 2017-02-12 10:33 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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My Nespresso Citiz is manufactured by Magimix, however the support from Nespresso has been superb.
Milk frother failed after 6 months, a replacement was delivered AM the next day and the faulty item collected by separate courier later.

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#259401 - 2017-02-12 10:42 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ado]
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Wow, really feeling like I took the too easy route with my LAVAZZA MAGIA PLUS having read this thread. Some seriously impressive kit.

The coffee is pretty good from the Lavazza as a one button option, I certainly prefer it to some of the other options at the same price point. However the descaling process is a pain and you are tied into the Lavazza capsule ecosystem, albeit lots of choice - current favourite is Dolce.


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#259402 - 2017-02-12 10:44 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: VirusKiller]
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VK, I would have thought you could manage to make a decent cup of coffee with that thing without the help of all those herbs and spices, no?....


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#259408 - 2017-02-12 12:24 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ludwig]
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#259413 - 2017-02-12 12:50 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: VirusKiller]
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VK, could you emulate the Nespresso pod "Envivo Lungo" with a hint of ginger.

Alternatively a decent Viennese with fig seasoning, my favourite.

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#259415 - 2017-02-12 14:02 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Just bagged myself a £500 price-match discount on retail from JL for a new Miele countertop Coffee machine.

It's comparable to the price of a replacement Jura A9, and not much more than the price of a used 'B Grade' Miele (but with full warranty).


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#259585 - 2017-02-14 13:46 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Delivered today...



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#259607 - 2017-02-14 15:43 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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A very nice DAC (Digital Automated Coffee).

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#259615 - 2017-02-14 16:09 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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For the price, it was a tough choice: a Meridian MC200 or Miele CM6310.


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#259672 - 2017-02-14 21:55 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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What you really need is a Rocket Appartamento... :-)

[img]https://goo.gl/images/6jkFGe[/img]

I have one paired with the new Baratza Sette 270W grinder. Not only is the coffee sublime, but these machines look the part too! cool


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#259673 - 2017-02-14 21:59 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Boru80]
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Is this a coffee porn thread, will I have to give up my spoon and jar........?


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#259737 - 2017-02-15 11:30 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Boru80]
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Hi Boru

I note that the Right channel is clearly identified but not the Left and the outputs are at different levels.

Looks a bit like D'Agostini design.

It could take off

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#259739 - 2017-02-15 11:49 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Ha! Very true smile

Ironically "channelling" is the bane of any budding barista... you need to have serious tamping skills!

I find coffee is pretty much like hifi. You start off with a Nespresso machine... and before you know it you end up with a bad case of upgraditis and find yourself spending a small fortune on fancy Italian machines.

Thankfully the top of the coffee tree is more obtainable than the top of the Meridian tree!!


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#259742 - 2017-02-15 12:45 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Boru80]
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I have been informed, but I cannot reveal the source, that MQA will be applied to coffee in the next 12 months.

This will give full traceability to the countries of origin, even back to the pick time and individual bean picker.
The roasting and blending information will also be available therefore flavour correction via brewing time can be applied for the perfect cup according to your user specific machine.

Hope this helps

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#259744 - 2017-02-15 12:58 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Owing to incorrect brew time correction, I now have cold coffee


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#261965 - 2017-03-23 11:27 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hectorson]
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Prior to purchasing my Miele Coffee Machine, Domestic & General insurance advised that they didn't provide extended warranties on any brand of Coffee Machine costing in excess of £1,000. One month after purchase, Miele wrote to me, offering a 5 year extended warranty: underwritten (ironically) by Domestic & General.

On registering my Coffee Machine, I'm entitled to 1 free 250g pack of Coffee Beans each month, for 6 months - courtesy of 'Coffee Workshop'. When the first bag arrived, I was surprised to discover its retail price was an eye-watering £9.00 (!).

I like Coffee, but not that much.


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#262090 - 2017-03-24 17:56 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Eyewatering - depends on how you like your beverage! One way to frame it - assume you make a 300ml mug of coffee (a large serve) with one pod. Correct me if I am wrong, but an Nespresso pod costs upwards of 0.31p per pod (before delivery costs).

The ground alternative is then about 0.65p (900p/250 = price per gram * 18gm (60gm per litre of filter) = 0.65p) per large serve. At that dosage and with appropriate brew time (3-4mins) would be a very satisfying hot beverage. Yet it is double your cost including delivery charges which is not included in the Nespresso pricing - but ignore that.

If you like a strong, hot Nespresso beverage in the morning and use two pods - there is not much difference....and there are cheaper subscription services than Coffee Workshop for similar quality beans....


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#262091 - 2017-03-24 18:51 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ado]
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I own a Tassimo, Nespresso, and, B2C, brewers - so I'm fully aware of the comparative costs.

I often buy Starbucks' 250g packs of beans at £3.50 - and will typically get 35 drinks per pack (enough for the week).

I winced at the price of Coffee Beans at Carluccio's restaurant, at £5.95 - but the price of the Coffee Workshop offerings is, frankly, taking the p***

By comparison, my preferred roaster, Cooper & Co, typically charge between £4.00 - £5.00 for a 250g pack.


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#268174 - 2017-10-01 11:22 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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You know that you're a true Coffee fanatic when you don't just drink it, but you wash/shower in it too.


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#268186 - 2017-10-01 16:12 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Thinkgeek.com have been selling caffeinated soap etc for years. And also a caffeinated lip balm which went by the unfortunate name of Spazzstick! I have their caffeine molecule t-shirt - everyone thinks it is something illegal.

I also remember a story from many years ago when I was in North Carolina before the coffee boom was in full swing. A guy used to go into the upmarket coffee store regularly to buy ground beans to take home. One day the proprietor needed to grind some to make up the customer's order so offered a cup of coffee while the customer was waiting. "Oh no", he replied, " I don't drink it, I use it for enemas".


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#268194 - 2017-10-01 18:48 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: DuncanBudd]
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That must have bean uncomfortable. whistle


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#268221 - 2017-10-02 19:56 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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I just bought a 60 year old Coffee Pot on eBay smile

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We already have the same one at our lake house and when ever someone visits they got nuts over the coffee, no matter what we put in it.

I tried buying a new one and it was junk and returned it. And every coffee maker we looked at had significant percent of reviews that said "Died after X Months". The one we bought was one of the better rated ones.

So I decided to check eBay for grins.

The one we have is also 60 years old and works perfectly. 60 Years !!
They certainly don't make stuff like they used to. This one on eBay looks like new, which is kind of cool.


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#268486 - 2017-10-10 12:29 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Fiddler]
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It’s about time!

US forum members will be already familiar with it, but Nespresso has finally launched their Vertuo System into the UK marketplace. Unlike standard Nespresso capsules, the newer system enables the brewing of a full mug of Coffee.


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#268495 - 2017-10-10 15:20 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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Hmm, we just use a couple of standard pods (or worse, a single pod and run water through it twice - which is probably doing the machine no favours...)


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#268497 - 2017-10-10 15:32 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: IanM]
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Running water through more than once will make the coffee a bit bitter. Probably fine for the machine.

I'm struggling to appreciate the worthwhile difference. It's just the size of pod by the looks of it. So yes, double dipping is far cheaper than a new machine.

Personally, I find that most blends are fine being topped up Americano style, or as I mostly do, with microwaved milk. Does it just as I like.


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#268498 - 2017-10-10 16:09 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
... as I mostly do, with microwaved milk. Does it just as I like.
+1 or cappuccino style with frothed milk.


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#268501 - 2017-10-10 19:52 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Carl]
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Standard/original Nespresso capsules are..
25ml ristretto,
40ml espresso, and
110ml lungo.

By comparison, the Vertuo capsules offer..
40ml espresso,
150 gran lungo,
230ml mug, and,
414ml alto.


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#268656 - 2017-10-14 09:29 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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Hi Ian
+2
I have also been using the Microwave technique for the milk for some years.
This gives the added advantage of warming the cup, and also saves me washing a seperate frother
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#268749 - 2017-10-15 19:47 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Do people still have milk in their coffee when they are adults?

How strange. laugh


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#268750 - 2017-10-15 19:56 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: gIzzE]
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Yes. It helps dilute the taste of the raspberry


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#271788 - 2018-01-13 12:16 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Just found that Aldi now offer Nespresso compatible pods at Pounds 1.60 for 10.
The Ristretto strength 10 is very good for everyday drinking and they work perfectly in my Magimix Citiz machine. They also carry the "Which Best Buy" recommendation.
Compared to Nespresso Ristretto at 0.33p each, they are great value.

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#271799 - 2018-01-13 15:40 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Price aside, my preferred third-party capsules are Starbucks Espresso and L’Or Ristretto.

Recently, I replaced my original Nespresso Aerocinno (jug type) with a new Aerocinno 4. What a difference...

The internal coating is easier to clean,
There’s only one dual purpose whisk, rather than two,
You can clean the main jug in the dishwasher,
Options are: cold milk (summer), hot milk, capucinno, latte macchiato,
The Milk is HOT,
The foam density in making latte macchiato is thick enough to insulate wall cavities,
No need to spoon-out the foam: it all comes out on pouring,
Soy Milk does not burn onto the coating,
The lid seals better, so no spillages in use.

Recommended.


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#271806 - 2018-01-13 19:08 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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But have you tried the ALDI offering?
I was pleasantly surprised by the quality for 16p a go. A double ALDI is 1p cheaper than a single from Nespresso.

For Nespresso price you could read Meridian Special Sauce price

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#271807 - 2018-01-13 19:16 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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This is. Coffee Blues. Maxwell house Mississippi John Hurt. A masterpiece.

Coffee Blues


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#271809 - 2018-01-13 19:39 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Agreed, but a bit of a Joel Cheek promotion. laugh


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#271815 - 2018-01-13 20:14 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Must say, my best purchase of 2017 for sheer ongoing enjoyment was a Lavazza Minu Latte machine for £35 reduced from £120. I'm a Lavazza fan anyway and only recently discovered that pod machines were available under their brand (AEG make them), so when this appeared it would have been rude not to!

The pods work out around 25p, there's a good range of options, and to my taste are much better than any other pod machine coffee I've tasted (Nespresso and Tassimo). The milk frother on the machine works well, and all in all it produces coffee which is as good as the majority of retail offerings. I know it's not going to compete with freshly ground, properly tamped and pulled coffee, but for sheer ease of use...

Cheers

George

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#271860 - 2018-01-15 14:09 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Aldi Ristretto price now up to 17.9p per pod, but still best value/quality buy.
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#271863 - 2018-01-15 14:45 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Better still, a freshly brewed Coffee using whole beans costs me 10p per large cup.


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#271867 - 2018-01-15 17:22 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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However your initial investment in bean to cup machine and processing/maintenance/cleaning time should be included in any price comparison.

Agreed Home Ground is best quality, but also how long does it take to ready your machine (especially to deliver the goods) and at what energy cost.

No doubt yours goes to 11.

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#271868 - 2018-01-15 17:33 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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From start button to finish, less than a minute (including foamed Milk).

Given the amount of Coffee consumed in this household, and the equivalent cost of visiting/purchasing from Starbucks, my B2C paid for itself in 10 weeks.


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#271870 - 2018-01-15 18:01 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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I had the trifecta this morning:

Empty drip tray
Top up water
Add beans

Only trumped by a service request or running out of beans!

Cheers
Tom


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#271883 - 2018-01-16 13:06 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: GMT]
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I don't understand. Why are you all using machines for this?

Alessi mocha pot, beans, grinder, water, gas hob. No-one ever criticised my coffee.

smile


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#271887 - 2018-01-16 13:49 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ludwig]
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No zone in the kitchen, and 'too loud' complaints if I turn up the volume just to make coffee.
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#271889 - 2018-01-16 14:04 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ludwig]
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Originally Posted By Ludwig
I don't understand. Why are you all using machines for this?

Alessi mocha pot, beans, grinder, water, gas hob. No-one ever criticised my coffee.
Similarly, I don't understand. Why are you using expensive Meridian audio.

An iPod for music downloads. No-one has ever criticised my choice of audio device.

The point being, we all have different priorities in choosing those items that produce the greatest pleasure. smile


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#271894 - 2018-01-16 14:50 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
Do people still have milk in their coffee when they are adults?
How strange. laugh
Yep! Glad I never grew up blush
Or I would not still be listening to Chris Farlowe and the Thunderbirds.
As good now as it was in the late 60's early 70's.

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#271896 - 2018-01-16 15:51 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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Can I have a wet latte without the milk...


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#271897 - 2018-01-16 16:05 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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Like with MQA it’s what you put into the machine, ensuring the hot water passing through is pure(bit perfect), relying only on gravity, without further corrective processing, until rendered to a heated clean cup. From there corrupt to taste. I highly recommend Costco’s Dark Roast👍


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#271902 - 2018-01-16 17:40 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Mtns]
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Recently, I discovered Boston Tea Party. Ironically, besides their excellent food, they make the best Coffee that I’ve ever tasted on the High Street.

You can buy a 1kg bag of their Coffee Beans for £15. If you think that’s expensive, it works out to £3.50 per 250g - which is similar to most other brands.

Their blend is exclusive to BTP, which is roasted by Extract Coffee in Bristol.


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#271906 - 2018-01-16 19:34 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
Can I have a wet latte without the milk...
Or a flat white, but hold the milk!

I never get why people ask for a white Americano?
Surely an Americano is just espresso and water, the point you add milk it is no longer an Americano, it is just a Flat White?


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#271907 - 2018-01-16 19:36 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: gIzzE]
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You assume the person placing the order knows what they are ordering actually is?


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#271923 - 2018-01-17 09:36 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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Fatal assumption!


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#271997 - 2018-01-19 11:06 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Ludwig]
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Ooh a coffee thread, how did I miss this?

I like espresso based drinks, so I started off down the Gaggia route but never got satisfying results. In the end I bought an Izzo Alex Duetto dual boiler machine, and a Mazzer Mini grinder.

What I found was that fresh beans and a good quality grinder make more difference that anything else.


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#271998 - 2018-01-19 11:14 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: James_L]
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Actually my Gaggia (modified with a PID controller) is still in my loft. Anyone interested? Suggest you buy a good grinder to go with it


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#272188 - 2018-01-23 11:27 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: James_L]
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#272196 - 2018-01-23 14:23 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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#272202 - 2018-01-23 16:24 Re: Coffee Machine Suggestions [Re: Hector]
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