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#218151 - 2014-08-03 00:24 Meridian vs...
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I've been out on a listening spree today taking in the likes of Audi/Bose, Audi/B&O, Lexus, Jaguar/B&W and Land Rover/Meridian. Here are my notes from the day.

In all cases, I started off by ensuring that all tone controls were set to their default mid position. My test music was a CD of tracks including London Grammar, Katy B, James Blake, Daft Punk and several others covering music from the bass heavy electronic to acoustic vocal.

I should note that my hearing appears to be hypersensitive to 2-4kHz since taking some medication recently. However, it isn't very noticeable in the home environment, but the highly reflective and small car environment seems to amplify the effect.

Audi A5 2014 B&O.
Good extension 30/35Hz maybe, fairly taut bass, a little hump at 50Hz, a touch boomy around 80Hz, decent imaging, soft treble and nice midrange. A little forward in the upper mids. DSP set to driver sounded best for imaging and most natural in general. Some door panel vibration under heavy bass at high volumes (approaching 30). Seemed a little edgy in the upper mids at higher volumes although that might be my ears. Bass/treble control only available which can't correct for boom. Not sure if there is a sub or not.

Audi A6 Avant 2014 Bose
No driver position DSP so chose 'front' presentation. Similar bass to B&O although roll off higher at 40Hz maybe. Similar 50Hz hump and a little boomy also. Mids at 1-3kHz more pronounced. Want to reduce volume more than B&O. Good treble but not quite as refined. Rather than being soft, it sounded roll off at the top and more pronounced lower down (10kHz maybe). Not as refined overall.

The offerings from Audi are average, like going to Richer Sounds and buying low end hifi. I wasn't impressed.

Lexus GS450h 2011
Standard 10spk audio
I was hoping to hear the Mark Levison offering but the car only had the standard Lexus 10 speaker system. I was pleasantly surprised. Strong bass, deep and taut, excellent authority. Extension easily into the mid 30s but it was actually too strong compared to the rest of the audio spectrum. It wasn't boomy, just louder than it should have been. Sitting stationary, -2 notches on bass sounded more natural. Upper mids a little pronounced but ok for me. Soft refined treble. No rattle from doors or panels during heavy bass tracks although interestingly, the rear-view mirror was vibrating heavily, moving the mirror image visibly and making a rattling noise. An easy fix probably. To my surprise, the standard system has a centre speaker making the imaging pretty good. On the road it sounded bass heavy at the mid position, reducing bass to -1 helped, -2 was too weak. It sounded a little incoherent though; there wasn't a gel between the sub/bass, midrange and treble, like there was a hole between the sub/bass and the rest of the spectrum. Very pleasant to listen to and the car was so quiet on the road. I was seriously impressed.

I then listened to an IS300h Mark Levinson premium surround. Overall it sounded quite similar to the GS standard system but the imaging was terrible (sounded like a phase issue) and the upper mids were hurting my ears. I preferred the GS standard although I'm going to see another GS450h with the ML system to see what its like.

Freelander 2 2014 Meridian 825w
I checked out the Meridian setting, DPL2 and DTS Neo and the M setting was obviously the best. Bass was deep and taut. Extension to the mid 30s. No boom or humps. Mids beautiful. Upper mids a touch forward compared to what I'm used to with the 5Ks at home. Treble soft and delicate and good level of detail. Not as lush as the 5Ks though. The image was central until lower vocal registers when it shifted to the speaker door a touch. I also heard way to much from the surround speakers so I experimented with adjusting the fader and settled on 3 forward. This worked wonders for vocals creating a much more stable image in front of me but did rob the system of power overall for more bass heavy tracks. Some door panel vibration at really high volumes. Not sure I'd buy one as didn't sound as close to home as I'd hoped, although I think a lot of that was to do with the Freelander cabin, it's pretty big and sounded a little echoey.

Jaguar XF 2010 B&W
Out of DSP modes stereo, 3 ch and DPL2, 3 ch mode produced the most natural sound and the best image. With the tone controls centered, bass rolled off at ~40Hz, hump at 50-60Hz. Adjusting sub to max helped extension to mid 30s. Mids very good. Treble soft and delicate. Some upper mid forwardness, not as prominent as the B&O. Cabin muuuuuch nicer than freelander, no echo. Goes way louder than any of the others before it sounded strained. No rattles anywhere. Best results were bass -2 sub +8. Bass now down to 30Hz but perhaps a little hump at 100Hz. No combination could produce even bass. Pl2 mode just awful.

My order of preference:

1. Jaguar XF B&W
1. Lexus GS450h Standard
3. Land Rover Freelander Meridian 825w
4. Audi A5 B&O
5. Audi A6 Bose

The Jag and Lexus (more so) were both surprises and although they were different, I couldn't decide which I thought was best. The Jag/B&W's strengths was solid imaging and highly commendable overall sound quality, especially at high volumes. It's weakness was uneven bass response and I had to choose either extension with a 100Hz hump or a more even response but settle for 40Hz extension. The Lexus/Standard's strengths was nice even bass response, excellent imaging and a very easy listen overall but its weakness was a perceived lack of cohesion on the road.

I wasn't expecting them to beat M. I suspect that M in an Evoque would win hands down, though. I still have one more car to audition which is the GS450h with ML installed.


Chris
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#218160 - 2014-08-03 04:55 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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Thanks. A fun read.

I can't comment on any of the others, but we've had two cars with Bose audio systems, and your comment about "Want to reduce volume . . ." really comes home.

Both systems are grating at mid-volumes. I'm always finding myself toggling between loud enough to hear what's going on, and quiet enough to not hurt.

Both have super harsh mid-ranges, and worse trebles.

It strikes me that the factory stereo in my cheap Toyota pickup is easier to listen to than the Bose systems in our Acura and Porsche. There's something screwy with that.


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#218183 - 2014-08-03 16:34 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Akimo]
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Also an interesting read for those of us in the Automotive industry....
As people seem to make their car purchase decisions on the quality of the InCarEntertainment, I think I'll take 99.995% of my working day off in future ! wink


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Edited by Rolski; 2014-08-03 16:35. Edit Reason: Legibility.
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#218199 - 2014-08-03 18:37 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Rolski]
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In the past, I've bought cars that I liked the look of or the way it performed or for certain features like heated seats/nav/bluetooth. My current car met all criteria but I forgot to check the audio system and it has such a bad stock system. I've also tried aftermarket DIY and professional solutions but they aren't great either. Nor does it seem sensible to spend 3k on an aftermarket installation that I'll never see a penny of at resale time.

I'm not sure what your point is but I guess we all have our priorities.


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#218211 - 2014-08-03 22:55 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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No worries, my point is meant as tongue-in-cheek (and as food for thought for some) : I'm one of the people that's involved in the (sometimes) billions of $$$$'s that it can cost to develop new cars, and we spend most of our working day on balancing safety / performance / economy / emissions / noise & vibration / handling / interior space & usability / durability / serviceability / etc. etc. etc, while also trying to fulfil the myriad new legislative actions that may or may not come to pass, and attempting to keep costs down... but all people really want is a decent "stereo"... Smiley face... grin


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#218212 - 2014-08-03 22:58 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Rolski]
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That made me smile smile


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#218262 - 2014-08-04 21:07 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Rolski]
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Originally Posted By: Rolski
<snip>... but all people really want is a decent "stereo"... Smiley face... grin


Guilty as charged. smile


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Bill

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#218265 - 2014-08-04 22:34 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Dollar2]
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Not guilty.

My moke has no stereo (or heater, for that matter).

Mere fripperies, I tell you... grin


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#218266 - 2014-08-04 22:36 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: dpstjp]
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#218267 - 2014-08-04 22:52 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Ronnie]
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The stereo would come a long way down my list of desirable features in a car.


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#218273 - 2014-08-05 00:57 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Not'arf]
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+1
Mine has reputedly the worst system ever provided, but would only be a distraction if I turned it on.
Driving quickly is a totally separate experience. Forget the Stig unless you are really talented.
Hector


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#218277 - 2014-08-05 01:12 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Hector]
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This whole thing about car hi-fi and electronic systems is getting to the point where some people forget that IT'S A CAR.

On the USA Range Rover owners' site there are a lot of people slagging off JLR for not having touch screen displays with the speed and functionality of Apple iPads!

When Apple make a system that can drive over "impossible" landscapes and doesn't drain the battery after a firmware update I will be more impressed.


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#218280 - 2014-08-05 01:20 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: MalcolmW]
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And then people Gold plate them....... Here . What's the point lol..

Surely they could do something more worthwhile with their money. A 14 year old would do this.
I do understand having good audio though, an avenue of pleasure denied me in my Hyundai i10 lol

OT thoughts, Chris smile


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#218283 - 2014-08-05 01:30 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Hector]
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Interesting. I was imagining that more of you would find excellent car audio desirable. I guess I'm much less interested in the pleasure of driving and more so with the comfort by which I get from place to place.


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#218289 - 2014-08-05 01:48 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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You might like to consider this point. There is a current campaign to increase the penalty for using a mobile phone while driving to a 12 month ban like drink driving. The logic is that any distraction from driving is a BAD THING.

If you critically listen in the car, are you being distracted? Are you driving or listening?

I don't need a high end car audio system as I only listen to, for example, Radio 4 in the background. This is not a distraction. It's the difference between having the radio on at home while you do the ironing and sitting down to listen in front of your main system. You need to decide which is your primary activity.

On a secondary point, listening in the car at high volume which drowns all noises from the outside and mechanical sound from the car is the equivalent of a cyclist with an iPod - a danger to others.


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#218293 - 2014-08-05 02:03 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: MalcolmW]
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I find touch screens in a car pretty distracting. By the time I've stabbed a screen a few times my eyes have been off the road for longer than I consider to be safe.


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#218294 - 2014-08-05 02:06 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: dpstjp]
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By the time I have found my glasses etc,etc I am with Malcolm, radio on as company.

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#218296 - 2014-08-05 02:07 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: MalcolmW]
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It might appear that I'm attempting critical listening but I think my opening post was more a reaction to just how bad my car's stock system is. Literally I cannot listen to anything on it above a very quiet volume as certain upper mid frequencies are just so much louder than others. It really is unlistenable. I've had three cars in a row where the stereo was so bad it hurt my ears even at quiet volumes. So I guess I'm on a quest to see if my ears are hypersensitive, if the car environment is terrible for all manufacturers or if high fidelity is possible in the car world. So far it does appear that fidelity is possible.

I've been driving for years with music on and it never has taken away my focus from the primary objective which is safely driving the car. Indeed I'm known for being unable to have a conversation with on the road at times such is my level of concentration.

I'd argue that my current stereo is much more of a distraction than one that didn't shout down my ears.


Chris
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#218308 - 2014-08-05 03:35 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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Wonderful for passengers if they trust the jockey, I am more interested in feedback from the important bits, without having to take my eyes off the road. crazy


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#218310 - 2014-08-05 03:58 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Hector]
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A couple of additional comments.
I have a Porsche 911, which I bought second hand, which had been delivered when new in 2008 with an "expensive" Bose sound system. I find it pretty un- impressive and at times really harsh.
Our other car is Kia Sportage 4x4, top of the range which comes with it's standard no cost option sound system coupled to comms and sat-nav etc. it's infinitely better than the Porsche. Of course it might also be related to the volume of the listening cabin.

My neighbour has just taken delivery of a Jaguar F type hard top fitted as standard with a Meridian system. Sound pretty nice, at least standing still. He is not an audio person, has not he slightest interest in hifi.

This same neighbour has a fairly new Discovery which is fitted with a Harman Kardon system,also sounds pretty nice... Again I wonder if that's also due the significant higher volume cabin. Later models I believe have Meridian as standard.
Just some observations
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#218314 - 2014-08-05 07:18 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Huw]
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911's make their own beautiful sound. I agree their stereo system is terrible. Speaker placement is challenging and they don't seem to use the best quality components. I will note that the Cayenne is a very different story. The speakers/stereo in that was just excellent, must be the center channel...


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#218324 - 2014-08-05 18:45 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Yetis]
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Clearly everybody on this forum loves good music that's been well reproduced by a great system. However, it has it's time & place; for me that's at home.

I love driving & like to think that I have good car control but frankly I don't care what I drive. We had a lovely BMW 325i before we sold it for a Rav4 (the 200m drive to our house isn't much more than a dirt track & has some serious elevation changes). There was a time 'between cars' when we used Mum's 12yr old Vectra which had no power, poor brakes & no grip, particularly in the wet, but I loved driving that too! We're just starting to think about replacing the Rav but are very unlikely to pay any extra for a premium system.

I use my iPhone for music but haven't bothered to upgrade the free 'phones as I don't need the last few % at all times.

We all know how the sound of our systems are affected by our rooms; just think about the tiny cabins in a car!


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#218325 - 2014-08-05 18:51 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Not'arf]
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#218333 - 2014-08-05 20:16 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Ratbert]
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Problem solved! laugh


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#218353 - 2014-08-06 04:44 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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Depends how many miles you do, I was doing 40k miles a year, 30k of which were in a 4 months period, I needed to have a good sound system.
Not one that plays really loud, but one that sounds good when played at normal levels, and that is what is tricky in a car.
I am only doing 20k miles a year now in my main car, but still want a decent sounding system that I can play my music on, and DAB so I can listen to 5 Live clearly. wink

Nice to here the XKR was pretty good, the Jag thing is an itch that needs scratching and decided on an XKR last week.


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#218355 - 2014-08-06 05:21 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: gIzzE]
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5 Live, or 5 Live SX? wink


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#218376 - 2014-08-06 17:02 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: dpstjp]
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Both!

And I quite like 6 Music, some really good stuff on there too.

Gutted Jazz FM has come off DAB though as that was the station I listened to most.


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#218381 - 2014-08-06 17:55 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: gIzzE]
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#218397 - 2014-08-06 21:28 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: ncpl]
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I went to listen to another Lexus GS with the ML surround sound system installed. In many ways, it sounds very similar to the Lexus standard stereo. It has the same bass weight, the same even bass response, good imaging but the whole thing gelled more as a complete system compared to the standard system which sounded a little disjointed between bass and the rest. However, the upper mids were too prominent, like in the other ML equipped car I listened to. I also preferred the standard system treble, it was much more refined there and not as fatiguing. Of the two DSP modes, I preferred surround mode off. It sounded most natural and most relaxing of the two. From what I can tell, the ML system is all about more detail at the expense of refinement. At least that's how it sounds to me.

I was also interested to see how well the ventilated seats worked and today, a warm day with warm seats, they don't cool my back at all but the legs area is cooled nicely.

I love the car. I love the tech and the drivetrain. It's quick, smooth and really quiet at urban speeds, although at 70mph its no quieter than my A6 (measured with an SPL meter on the same road). If I was going to buy it, I'd probably opt for the standard 10 speaker system and not the ML.

When I started this quest, I was convinced that I'd sit in a Freelander, love the M 825w system and then realise that I'd have to buy a Freelander. I was expecting 5Ks in the car to be my experience and it just wasn't. If I'd had my eyes closed, I couldn't have told you it was anything special at all, certainly not the M signature sound.


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#218470 - 2014-08-08 03:13 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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Originally Posted By: Chris G
I love the car. I love the tech and the drivetrain. It's quick, smooth and really quiet at urban speeds, although at 70mph its no quieter than my A6 (measured with an SPL meter on the same road).


Is it me or is that taking things just a touch too far?!

wink


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#218472 - 2014-08-08 03:26 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Not'arf]
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#218482 - 2014-08-08 12:12 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Hector]
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That was a 3 word reply Hector & you could have done without the first 2.

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#218498 - 2014-08-08 16:33 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By: Not'arf
Originally Posted By: Chris G
I love the car. I love the tech and the drivetrain. It's quick, smooth and really quiet at urban speeds, although at 70mph its no quieter than my A6 (measured with an SPL meter on the same road).


Is it me or is that taking things just a touch too far?!

wink


Haha, I did have to bite my tongue. grin


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#218499 - 2014-08-08 17:00 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: gIzzE]
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The assertion was made in another thread that Lexus is particularly quiet. I had to verify it. Yes, I know I'm a bit OTT but a quieter environment is easier on the ears. That's why noise cancelling headphones were invented, after all.

How hard is it to come up with a stereo that sounds easy on the ears in a car environment. Turns out it is pretty damn hard and even the high end options available from well known audio brands can't get it right. I'm not the only one. Plenty of others complain about shouty/fatiguing upgraded factory fit stereos.


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#218509 - 2014-08-09 00:19 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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You're absolutely right, but then even most aftermarket set ups tend to sound quite bright.
That is why I like Pioneer so much, always sounds so much smoother than the rest.
I have an Alpine W925R in my ML at the moment, an although better than most Alpines over the last 10 years it still needs a fair amount of tweeking with the parametric EQ to tame it, and it never sounds 'smooth'.

I went with it as it is one of the only double din units with DAB and proper time alignment, which to me is one of the most important features.

I have been impressed with the Logic7/Harman/Top Hi-fi* system in the E generation of BMWs, along with the underseat subs they have given a pretty 'nice' sound for a factory system.

But the basic system in the E and S Class Mercs have also been good, helps they have 6.5" drivers in the doors so you get some fairly decent weight from them, and the tweeters never sound shrill. Just adding a nice amp to the factory set up can give some pretty good results too.

But, no matter how good you get the system, if you are having to crank it up to get over cabin noise you are fighting a loosing battle.

The cabin noise in my E350 Estate was terrible, and because of that it needed driving to the point where it sounded shrill, a real shame after the two previous generation E Class's sounded so good.


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#218539 - 2014-08-09 19:30 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By: Not'arf
Originally Posted By: Chris G
I love the car. I love the tech and the drivetrain. It's quick, smooth and really quiet at urban speeds, although at 70mph its no quieter than my A6 (measured with an SPL meter on the same road).


Is it me or is that taking things just a touch too far?!

wink


Personally, I'm finding Chris G's reviews rather interesting.

I'm a bit surprised by some of the reactions. As a group, I'd have thought that most of us share the "You spent how much on a stereo?" or "What the heck are those?" to big speakers or acoustical treatments. It seems odd that some of us would be reacting analogously to Chris's and others' desire for high quality audio in a car environment.

Plenty of us spend more time in the car than we would choose. It doesn't seem odd to want decent fidelity in the car's audio system.

I do, of course, share the concerns with distracted driving. It's common here to see things like texting while driving, even though illegal. I look forward to self-driving cars, hoping they are widely adopted by folks who'd rather be doing something other than driving.


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#218548 - 2014-08-10 01:03 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: ISB]
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Originally Posted By: "ISB"
...high quality audio in a car environment.

IMO, mutually exclusive.

The dynamic range which you can obtain in a car is just not sufficient for high quality audio as anyone who listens to R3 in the car in the UK will probably testify. You just can't hear quiet passages. If you put in compression to fix this, is it high quality afterwards?

I'm not saying that you can't get a "nice" sound in a car and I am a motoring enthusiast myself (see avatar) but high quality?


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#218549 - 2014-08-10 01:13 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: MalcolmW]
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Dumb question, are you allowed to wear open backed headphones whilst driving (or does Nanny not approve)?

(playing music for the literal)


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#218559 - 2014-08-10 04:50 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: MalcolmW]
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Originally Posted By: MalcolmW
Originally Posted By: "ISB"
...high quality audio in a car environment.

IMO, mutually exclusive.

The dynamic range which you can obtain in a car is just not sufficient for high quality audio as anyone who listens to R3 in the car in the UK will probably testify. You just can't hear quiet passages. If you put in compression to fix this, is it high quality afterwards?

I'm not saying that you can't get a "nice" sound in a car and I am a motoring enthusiast myself (see avatar) but high quality?


Well, I could have phrased that better, I suppose. High quality in a car environment would certainly differ from high quality in an environment with a far lower noise floor. So, high in a relative sense.

One benefit a car environment has is that the audio supplier can optimize their system for a mostly defined acoustical space as opposed to the home environment where the audio supplier has to choose between trying to be robust to diverse unknown environments, or leave the tuning to the user etc.


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#218561 - 2014-08-10 05:16 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: ISB]
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Those of us with high(er) quality car audio can tell the difference from lower quality - and that is why we spend more money or time choosing what we like. The differences are huge and if you spend many hours at a time in a car those differences make a journey pleasurable - or more pleasurable - than or not.
I am surprised that some Meridian owners don't believe these things.


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#218568 - 2014-08-10 13:46 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: RickyRoo]
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I got bored with the poor SQ in my Seat so I've started taking a portable iPod dock- sounds much better!

Next long journey I'll get the inverter out a put the F80 in the back seat (haven't thought through the radio bit yet).

Make do and mend...


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#218584 - 2014-08-10 18:30 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: MB]
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My favourite car soundtrack was my V6 and a nice exhaust growl. The 1.8T is nice, but it is to road cars what this years F1 cars are to the real ones we had before wink


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#218620 - 2014-08-11 00:38 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: 3dit0r]
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My favorite feature of my 2006 S4 is the wonderful V8 soundtrack. I wish the car was less well sound isolated from the outside in this regard. The Blowse audio system; not so much.


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#220480 - 2014-09-08 18:24 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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I ended up buying a 2009 XF S. I got close to buying the Lexus but I just couldn't do it. I think it was the look of it that put me off. The B&W in the Jag, with a few tiny adjustments, sounds really quite good. I've found my happy and its a damn fine car to boot! I reckon the M in the Jag would sound excellent, certainly way better than in the Freelander I heard. I'll have to wait a few years for that to be affordable though.


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#220550 - 2014-09-09 13:51 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: Chris G]
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New Jag XE launch, helicoptered into London. Mail article
The very last words on the spec sheet "Meridian Hi Fi". Chris smile


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#236371 - 2015-06-09 09:37 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Reviving an old thread, but I suppose it might be indicative of how little interest there seems to be in M's in-car systems. Anyway, as per topic, HiFi+ has a brief comparison of the high-end car manufacturers' offerings from the Geneva Salon de l'Auto here. Meridian's performance was judged a bit "meh", but what was interesting is the report that the company accept there is room for improvements and that these will be forthcoming "soon".


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#236372 - 2015-06-09 10:50 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: dBrowne]
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There is a report on one of the Range Rover forums which says that the high end Meridian ICE system is no longer available as an option on 2016 cars. Whether this is true (car configurators are notoriously inaccurate) remains to be seen.


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#236375 - 2015-06-09 11:12 Re: Meridian vs... [Re: MalcolmW]
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I recall the thread you refer to was US related, but I could be wrong.

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