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#132432 - 2010-12-21 16:14 CD Playback
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As 2010 turns to 2011 I seem to have the equipment itch again ....

Does anyone here have experience with 800, 808.2 and 808.3?

I assume, as one progresses through the three players, that 2-ch CD playback improves at each step? But by how much?

Is 808.2 much better than 800, but then 808.3 is only slightly better than 808.2? Or is it the other way around?

Does apodizing in the 861v6 level the field somewhat?

Second-hand 808.2 units all seem to have the 'i' designation - I guess those were the most popular?

Thanks for any input!

Simon


My Kit: 861v8+ID41, 800v4, HD621, MD600, MS200, Oppo BDP-93, Genesis 201, custom center speaker/S4-8 Sub, BG 520i, VTL MB450 II, Krell Showcase 7, Genesis Subs, Danley DTS10 sub, Lumagen Radiance XE, Sony VPL-VW200, Panamorph Anamorphic lens.
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#132439 - 2010-12-21 17:24 Re: CD Playback [Re: Simon]
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Hi Simon,

I see you already have an 861v6; so forget spinning disks; add an ID40 and a Sooloos system.

An 808.3 direct to a pair of 8ks (or high-end analogue setup) might have very slight edge, but an 861v6+ID40 is arguably more optimal that an 808.3 into an 861v6.

Iíve performed many comparisons (see my Mini-review) but unfortunately Iíve never got hands on an 808.3 to add to the mix to confirm (or otherwise) my thoughts on this. I have asked on the forum if anyone else has compared this combination but so far no reports received.

Regards,
Carl


861v6+ID40, HD621, 8000.2, 7200HC, 7200, SKYQ Silver, PS3, PDP-LX6090, QNAP TS870-Pro (8*6TB), Roon, iPadAir2.
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#132442 - 2010-12-21 18:41 Re: CD Playback [Re: Simon]
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Simon, I had an 800v3, now the 8082.i (or 808i.2?). IMO, a huge, worthwhile difference in imaging and energy. Modded Oppo was not too far behind the 800, but isn't even in the 808's zip code, again IMO. JimK


MC200, 818v3, DSP8000 with SE upgrade, Swallow Acoustics ALS2 analogue speakers, vintage Technics SL10 turntable, and an old, modded Oppo 83 (rarely played).
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#132456 - 2010-12-22 03:43 Re: CD Playback [Re: Carl]
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When I bought my 808i.2 to replace my G08, and to go with my 7k2s DSPs, I thought it was wonderful. And the pre-amp connectivity was a great advantage. I thought I would never buy another CD player.

Last Easter, Meridian very generously lent me their 808.3 prototype. This comes with the pre-amp facilities as standard as well as the all-important low jitter new architecture. This has all been discussed earlier in the year, so please do a search. The short story is that I bought an 808.3 and am very happy with it for the type of listening that I do i.e. mostly classical and extended listening, not continuous album / song changing.

The 808.3 is vastly better than the 808i.2, which itself is a very capable player.

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#132475 - 2010-12-22 05:27 Re: CD Playback [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By: Carl
I see you already have an 861v6; so forget spinning disks; add an ID40 and a Sooloos system.


What's an ID40?


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#132477 - 2010-12-22 05:38 Re: CD Playback [Re: Seeker_UK]
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It's a network card, optional for 861 and 808.2, standard in 808.3 which is a Sooloos zone. Your Sooloos core (C10, C15, Ensemble) streams data over the network, and the ID40 processes it and assembles a PCM bitstream in your 861 or 808 ready for upsampling etc. It's like a built in squeezebox (but allegedly better).


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Edited by Carl; 2010-12-22 05:55. Edit Reason: Not available for 808.2
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#132478 - 2010-12-22 05:38 Re: CD Playback [Re: Simon]
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Hi Seeker,

The ID40 is a (808.3/861v6) network source device card See Dunc's Site - 800 Cards - ID40

The primary advantage is that is bypasses all the SPDIF / AES interfaces and present audio data directly on to the internal bus of the 808.3/861v6.

It is fitted as standard in the 808.3 but is optional in the 861v6. Some 808.3 owners who also have a Sooloos system claim there is zero difference between spinning a CD the internal drive or rendering a FLAC file version of the same CD from the Sooloos with the ID40.

The other advantage is that the Sooloos also supports native 24/96 FLAC file which pushes the performance beyond that of REDBOOK CD even with Meridian upsampling/apodizing.

Regards,
Carl

Regards,
Carl


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#132479 - 2010-12-22 05:44 Re: CD Playback [Re: Simon]
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Hi hecd2,

The ID40 is not available for the 808.2 and it does not produce a PCM bitstream within the 808.3/861v6 the asynchronous data (decoded from FLAC) is directly written in to memory buffers, from there it is then read by the DSPs as data not as a bitstream. (No bitstream = No Jitter).

It only becomes a PCM bitstream, after processing and when either clocked out to the DACs (if fitted) or output via SpeakerLink to the DSP Speakers.

Regards,
Carl


861v6+ID40, HD621, 8000.2, 7200HC, 7200, SKYQ Silver, PS3, PDP-LX6090, QNAP TS870-Pro (8*6TB), Roon, iPadAir2.
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#132480 - 2010-12-22 05:58 Re: CD Playback [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By: Carl


I see you already have an 861v6; so forget spinning disks; add an ID40 and a Sooloos system.

An 808.3 direct to a pair of 8ks (or high-end analogue setup) might have very slight edge, but an 861v6+ID40 is arguably more optimal that an 808.3 into an 861v6.

Regards,
Carl


I was considering the Sooloos and took a look before ordering my 861 v6 earlier this year. I discussed the Sooloos with two dealers in the US and both dealers (independent of each other) recommended that I get a ReQuest server instead. I have 3 systems (Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and Bangkok). Only Vegas has M gear. Their argument was that using the ReQuest I could sync all 3 systems over the internet and always have all of my music no matter my location. Since I am still on the fence I took delivery of the 861 without the ID40. The top of the line ReQuest will handle 24/192. Is there any sonic reason to put the Sooloos above the ReQuest? (not trying to get too far off Simon's original question.)

Regards,
Gary


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#132481 - 2010-12-22 06:02 Re: CD Playback [Re: Carl]
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Thanks - good catch.


MC200, Twinstore, 808v6/ID41 -> DSP8000SE (+ SB Touch, Sony BDP-3300, SKYHD, legacy cassette player)
2nd system: MC200 analogue out, Linn LP12, SB3 -> Quad 34 -> M60 rosewood
F80 (Rubino Micallizzato)
F80 (Rosso Corsa)
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#132482 - 2010-12-22 06:05 Re: CD Playback [Re: Simon]
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Hi Gary,

I think I have covered it in my other post above (#132479 - 2010-12-22 11:44).

It is the ID40 card that gives it the edge, however at this level you have to let your own ears decide.

I did not know about the ReQuest server I'll have a Google.

Regards,
Carl


861v6+ID40, HD621, 8000.2, 7200HC, 7200, SKYQ Silver, PS3, PDP-LX6090, QNAP TS870-Pro (8*6TB), Roon, iPadAir2.
[In Reserve] C15, MD600 (2*3TB), TwinStore RM (2*2TB)
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#132596 - 2010-12-23 09:11 Re: CD Playback [Re: GaryArthur]
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Originally Posted By: GaryArthur
Their argument was that using the ReQuest I could sync all 3 systems over the internet and always have all of my music no matter my location.

That used to be possible with Sooloos, didn't it? I think I saw it mentioned in some early reviews.


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